New Poll - should the UK Police carry firearms?

Should the UK police carry firearms?


  • Total voters
    267
#1
This is a new poll, created on request, to see if opinions have changed as a result of recent events.

The original thread was here Should the UK police be armed?

The original poll closed on 16 September 2015, with these results:
  1. Yes, when on duty
    26 vote(s)
    18.1%
  2. Yes, at all times
    22 vote(s)
    15.3%
  3. No, the current policy is good enough
    72 vote(s)
    50.0%
  4. No, they should never carry firearms at all
    24 vote(s)
    16.7%
 
#2
The UK police are armed. Not all of them, but plenty are firearms trained and the police can deploy lots of them at one time if necessary. Routine beat bobbies don't carry firearms.

Sorry to be a pedant, but the poll title and options are poorly worded.
 
#3
Only the police can really answer that. I believe they're fairly firmly of the opinion that they should not be routinely armed.

Armed police could have done nothing about the suicide bomber in Manchester.

The more recent attack in London, armed police could have, and did, kill the attackers. I think the specialist armed police arrived within 8 minutes. If an armed "beat bobby" had been in the area perhaps the attackers would have been killed more quickly but there are very few beat bobbies left, even in London.
 
#4
Only the police can really answer that. I believe they're fairly firmly of the opinion that they should not be routinely armed..

Easy. Change the rules so any copper who refuses to carry a gun and is killed in the line of duty doesn't leave any pension or gratuity. Watch how fast the ranges fill up.
 
#5
Where's the "Why do we need yet another thread of bollocks about this" option?
 
#6
Yes, on duty. It's a brave new world. This whole attitude of "the UK is a better place without the police carrying weapons! Just look at America" is an old one.
To counter the current threat we need to up the stakes.
 
#8
It's about time we got real on this issue and accepted that Dixon is dead.

With ever dwindling numbers of Police Officers on the streets we need to ensure we get value for money from each and every one of them.

With a rise in mainland terror incidents, gun, knife, violent and gang crime one has to ask whether we can justify having the majority of the service too poorly equipped to defend themselves, nevermind the public.

It's not fair on them to expect them to choose between running away or getting stabbed to death whilst waiting for armed colleagues to arrive.

Some will still die, but they should at least be given the opportunity to try and defend themselves effectively.
 
#9
It's about time we got real on this issue and accepted that Dixon is dead.

With ever dwindling numbers of Police Officers on the streets we need to ensure we get value for money from each and every one of them.

With a rise in mainland terror incidents, gun, knife, violent and gang crime one has to ask whether we can justify having the majority of the service too poorly equipped to defend themselves, nevermind the public.

It's not fair on them to expect them to choose between running away or getting stabbed to death whilst waiting for armed colleagues to arrive.

Some will still die, but they should at least be given the opportunity to try and defend themselves effectively.
Add to that the problem of 'justifiablity', which we've seen so many times.
And then lengthy enquiries and 15 pages in the Grauniad...
Everyone in the unicorn-and-puppy brigade will bring up the Brazilian chap offed at the tube station, o the chap with the chairleg, but how many times do the rozzers shoot somebody who is, to coin a phrase, a clear and present danger?
Also, remember the sh*tstorm over the use of Tasers a few years back? Imagine the hand-wringing types moaning when Wayne, off his tits on spice and wielding a samurai sword down the high street collects a double-tap?
"He was a lovely boy and bought his mum flowers..."
Obvious solution would be to go to places (NB NOT the USA!) where 'professional' coppers are armed - ie the rest of the world - and see how it does properly and competently.
Netherlands, Aus, NZ, Canada spring to mind.
 
#10
Add to that the problem of 'justifiablity', which we've seen so many times.
And then lengthy enquiries and 15 pages in the Grauniad...
Everyone in the unicorn-and-puppy brigade will bring up the Brazilian chap offed at the tube station, o the chap with the chairleg, but how many times do the rozzers shoot somebody who is, to coin a phrase, a clear and present danger?
Also, remember the sh*tstorm over the use of Tasers a few years back? Imagine the hand-wringing types moaning when Wayne, off his tits on spice and wielding a samurai sword down the high street collects a double-tap?
"He was a lovely boy and bought his mum flowers..."
Obvious solution would be to go to places (NB NOT the USA!) where 'professional' coppers are armed - ie the rest of the world - and see how it does properly and competently.
Netherlands, Aus, NZ, Canada spring to mind.
We've created this monster.

I still remember rolling my eyes when that Raoul Moat blerk who shot the cop in the face was found, still armed and the officers were criticised for using a new form of taser to try and take him alive.

Anywhere else in the world I reckon he'd have been shot on sight (rightly or wrongly).

They're damned either way over here but I'd sooner they be alive and put through the mill in court (often wrongly) than dead in the interests of political correctness.
 
#11
While the poll questions are basically a bit rubbish, miss how things already are and miss other problems with this issue here's yet another option:

Police all over mainland England, wales and Scotland will rarely need to use a firearm either in offence' defence or as a deterrent, with that in mind the police services could adopt a split personal weapon policy and have a few officers armed with rifles or larger pistols just as they do now but arm the remainder with a small self defence pistol.
Something like a Glock for most officers would just slow them down when running after a car thief or shop lifter etc while something the size of a Beretta 85 (first one that popped into my mind) could be worn in a vest rather than on the leg.
It could be out of sight most of the time.

On the converse to all this, I was in the vicinity of a gun smuggler recently, judging by his choice of new car I'd say the illegal importing of firearms is going well and making him a nice lifestyle.

Edited multiple times, my hands were typing random letters, it must be pain killer time :)
 
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#12
While the poll questions are basically a bit rubbish, miss how things already are and miss other problems with this issue here's yet another option:

Police all over mainland England' wales and Scotland will rarely need to useca firearm either in offence' defence or as a deterrent, with that in mubd the police services could adopt a split personal weapon policy and have acfew officers armed with rifles or larger pistols just as they do now but arm the remainder with a small self defence pistol.
Something like a Glock for most officers would just slow them down when running after a car thief or shop lifter etc while something the size of a Beretta 85 (dirst one that popped into my mind) could be worn in a vest rather than on the leg.
It could be out of sight most of the time.

On the converse to all this, I was in the vicinity of a gun smuggler recently, judging by his choice of new car I'd say the illegal importing of firearms is going well and making him a nice lifestyle.
You seem to have acquired the same keyboard as my Mac.
 
#13
Easy. Change the rules so any copper who refuses to carry a gun and is killed in the line of duty doesn't leave any pension or gratuity. Watch how fast the ranges fill up.
You are Diane Abbott. You will be Home Secretary tomorrow and I claim my ten shillings.

I don't think the police oppose routine arming for just their own interest. Certainly, if all police were armed, there would be accidents. Police would make mistakes and some of them would end up in jail because of those mistakes.

On the other hand, PC Keith Palmer, murdered in the Westminster attack could probably have saved himself and others if he was armed. PCs Nichola Hughes and Fiona Bone, who were murdered by a hand grenade, might have saved themselves too had they been armed.

It's a balance of cost and benefits. Only the police can decide whether they should be armed.
 
#14
I must add I don't think they should be carried off duty except in exceptional circumstances or where a specific threat has been identified.
 
#16
Edited now, my hands dont work sometimes, strong pain killers get them sorted and loosened up a bit.
Ah, well my keyboard does those things without my help. Mind you, I do sometimes wake up during the night with my hands doing odd (and painful) spasm things. But thats old age I suppose.
 
#17
Seems in this case there were:

You can't take that as gospel about the cops running away. Other eyewitnesses have said they saw police trying to save the lives of victims whilst yelling at people to clear the area as it want secure.

It's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
 

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#18
Arm 'em all. As long as they get issued with a bit of string or suchlike, so they don't lose 'em, or leave 'em somewhere. I picked up this tip yesterday from some soldiers who spend their lives on here.
 
#19
You can't take that as gospel about the cops running away. Other eyewitnesses have said they saw police trying to save the lives of victims whilst yelling at people to clear the area as it want secure.

It's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Even if they were I can't be sure I'd blame them having not been there.

It may be worthy of respect for one to knowingly and courageously sacrifice their life but I wouldn't dare criticise someone who recognised the futility of it and waited for other, better trained and equipped colleagues to come and deal with the threat.

Probably the same decision many face when people stand outside a burning building and wrestle with thoughts of entering at their peril or waiting for the fire brigade.
 
#20
Sensational headlines would have you think a gun at the right spot is all that's needed, forgetting that they do, do the MET need arming nope they've got enough and an unpopular kill causes more damage than any knife wielding bellend did.
Also why does N.Wales police need arming when there are no incidents here? Apply to anywhere not in London.
In conclusion Meerkatz has the mind of a downie.

P.S. wouldn't the cost of arming and more importantly training 1000's of coppers be more than employing more spooks and community officers to REALLY stop terror attacks, guns are a bit stable door when you've got bellends willing to die anyway.
 

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