New pistols for UK Armed Forces

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Ministry of Defence said:
The Glock 17 Gen4 pistol is not only much lighter than the Browning L9A1, it is also more accurate and its magazines can carry more bullets. It has an increased magazine capacity of 17 rounds, compared to 13 rounds for the Browning.
Personnel across all 3 Services will begin to receive the new 9-millimetre (mm) calibre Glock 17s in the coming weeks and troops deployed to Afghanistan will be among the first to use the new weapon. The contract with Viking Arms Ltd of Harrogate, Yorkshire, also includes more than 25,000 holsters.

A Glock 17 pistol (left) and the Browning the new pistols will replace [Picture: Richard Watt, Crown Copyright/MOD 2013]Warrant Officer Class 1 Mark Anderson, Royal Marines, who trialled the new weapon before the contract was awarded, said:
Pistols are vital in close combat and are a key part of a soldier’s armoury. Reliable, light and easy to carry, the Glock inspires confidence and performs exceptionally well.
The Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology, Philip Dunne, said:
We are determined to provide our troops with the best possible personal kit available and these new Glock 17s will give them greater firepower and accuracy on operations.

Royal Marines firearms instructor Sergeant Steve Lord demonstrates the new Glock pistol on the range at Woolwich Barracks in London [Picture: Andrew Linnett, Crown Copyright/MOD 2013]Sidearms are a valuable weapon for servicemen and women on the battlefield, and the new Glock, manufactured in Austria, will complement the wide range of weapons already available to our forces, which includes:

  • SA80A2 assault rifles, which fire 5.56mm rounds
  • light machine guns, which fire 5.56mm rounds
  • Sharpshooter rifles, which fire 7.62mm rounds
  • general purpose machine guns, which fire 7.62mm rounds
  • combat shotguns, which fire 12-gauge cartridges; and
  • sniper systems, which fire 8.59mm rounds.
The Glock pistols will replace the Browning which after being used by the Armed Forces for more than 40 years has become increasingly expensive to maintain. The contract for a replacement pistol was put out to tender 2 years ago and is not in response to any specific or increased threat.



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1969peps

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Replacement for Browning, I'm sure there is a good reason, but why not Sig Sauer P226? there is a list of reasons why we

should just replace the old Browning with the in service UOR Sig weapon we have known over Telic and Herrick. But the reason for a completely new one?@.@
 
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he's got very small hands..
 
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1969peps

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If a soldier or officer cant hold a weapon properly be it he or she, cant blame the weapon, blame who ever said it was Ok for them to join with action man hands :soldier:
 
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You would have thought that the MOD would know the difference between 'bullets' and 'cartridges'.

Actually, no, you wouldn't, would you?
I don't know what you are reading, but I can see nothing wrong with the nomenclature in that report.
 
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I don't know what you are reading, but I can see nothing wrong with the nomenclature in that report.
"Its magazines can carry more bullets"

Rounds or cartridges would have been correct, even ammunition, I would have thought.

But you're the expert, if the British army now refers to ammunition as 'bullets' then I defer to your superior knowledge.
 
#9
Call me a dinosaur (yeah, I know) but I'd still choose a 1911A1 .45

It takes 2 or 3 rounds of 9mm to do the same damage as a .45 so the magazine capacity isn't really an advantage and the 1911 has proved it's effectiveness and reliability for over a century. Just like Hovis it's as good today as it's always been!!

Just my 2 bobs worth.
 

Alsacien

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Call me a dinosaur (yeah, I know) but I'd still choose a 1911A1 .45

It takes 2 or 3 rounds of 9mm to do the same damage as a .45 so the magazine capacity isn't really an advantage and the 1911 has proved it's effectiveness and reliability for over a century. Just like Hovis it's as good today as it's always been!!

Just my 2 bobs worth.
Probably takes 2 or 3 rounds of .303 to do the same damage as a .577/450 Martini Henry bullet, but nevertheless, we dropped it.....(might not be a good example, but it avoids "the" example).
 
#16
Only in Holywood.
I hear the septics rummaging around Tora Bora have mostly dumped their M9s for 1911s with good reason.

A lesson from history, the 9mm has nearly the same ballistic performance as the .38 which proved so inadequate against the Moro in the Philippines around 1903 leading to the introduction of the 45ACP.

It's all about stopping power :)
 

Alsacien

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I hear the septics rummaging around Tora Bora have mostly dumped their M9s for 1911s with good reason.

A lesson from history, the 9mm has nearly the same ballistic performance as the .38 which proved so inadequate against the Moro in the Philippines around 1903 leading to the introduction of the 45ACP.

It's all about stopping power :)
Terminal ballistic technology has improved somewhat in the last 100 years, as has magazine capacity.

If it was all about stopping power, everyone would be swanning around with a Desert Eagle or a 454 Casull.
 

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