NEW PETITION FOR MIL HOSPITALS - ARRSERS PLEASE HELP

#4
Done. Disgraceful that people have to lobby like this for what is so obviously an obligation for the government who sent these forces into harms way in the first place.

I think this is the biggest political scandal soon to emerge.

Doesnt help the poor buggers suffering, but there you go.
 
#6
I have signed both and completely applaud the requirements and sentiments behind them.

Does anyone know whether these have an effect? Does GB go into the Cabinet with a 'these are the petitions that are top of the peoples' list, get it done!'? I hope this is the case, but I doubt it. Are they more a vehicle for people to feel that they have 'acted' but that the Gov can ultimately ignore.?
 
#7
Just to make you aware an email went around JHQ with this petition on, and this was the reply sent to all users.

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To all recipients of the original email -



Anyone signing the petition must recognise the futility of their demand. The Defence Medical Services is not big enough to run or manage a hospital dedicated solely to uniformed personnel, with less than 200,000 personnel the demand for hospital care is insufficient to generate the workload required to make a hospital work that has the range of specialities that the armed forces require. It is inevitable that the MoD and the Department of Health will need to work together to provide the necessary hospital support for our injured or sick service personnel and that the best solution is for a combined military/civilian hospital facility that has the workload that justifies the full range of specialist services that will meet the needs of our injured and sick service personnel.



There has been considerable progress in improving interfaces between all the various agencies required to meet the physical, psychological and social needs of injured service personnel at the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine in Selly Oak Hospital in Birmingham. This will continue to improve as a dedicated military ward becomes established (for those in-patients who do not need care in other specialist areas in the hospital) and as we improve the follow-up care of service personnel once they have been discharged from in-patient care.



The issues are:



Ensuring injured members of the armed forces (serving and veterans) can receive a level of priority that reflects their contribution to the nation (as evidenced by their injury) and therefore receive preferential treatment compared to other patient demands. This needs to be a balance between MoD funding and DoH funding, and MoD and DoH delivery.


Improving the interfaces between patients, civilian medical services, uniformed medical services, parent units and service welfare agencies.


Ensuring the armed forces can recruit, train and retain sufficient health services personnel to meet the current tempo of operational deployments.


I can assure you that these issues are being addressed at the highest level in the MOD.

Chief Medical Adviser
Headquarters Allied Rapid Reaction Corps
BFPO 40
 
#8
Done! However with Broon in charge I'm not particularly hopeful... although miracles sometimes happen! :)
 
#9
Can a MOD remove the name and address of a serving officer please!

Thanks DTC - I was asked to pass it on so I did - thanks for the info but this message has not stopped it going on a wider push.

ofo
 
#11
I would have thought, correct me if I'm wrong here, but a mil hospital located at say, Brize Norton and manned by medics from all three services would work?

After all, people come and go from there all the time.

What do you think?
 
#12
How about a place called Wroughton? Close to Swindon, still one of the fastest growing towns in Europe. 19,000 units going in on the North side of town and between Lyneham and Brize airheads? Plenty of demand for spare capacity in the quiet moments. In fact, the new hospital in Swindon has fewer beds than the old, and the local community hospitals are all being closed, so the demand for beds in a mil hospital would be very high.

Oh, I forgot there was a hospital there before but it was closed in the 1990s, by the Tories and supported by the Chiefs of Staff.

Anyone who says there is no requirement for a military hospital is living on another planet.
 
#13
nigegilb said:
How about a place called Wroughton? Close to Swindon, still one of the fastest growing towns in Europe. 19,000 units going in on the North side of town and between Lyneham and Brize airheads? Plenty of demand for spare capacity in the quiet moments. In fact, the new hospital in Swindon has fewer beds than the old, and the local community hospitals are all being closed, so the demand for beds in a mil hospital would be very high.

Oh, I forgot there was a hospital there before but it was closed in the 1990s, by the Tories and supported by the Chiefs of Staff.

Anyone who says there is no requirement for a military hospital is living on another planet.

Couldn't agree more with you.
there are loads of big houses being built there at present. Shame really.
Bet there wouldn't be a w4nker in a mil hospital asking you to take your wombats off in case you offend anyone.
That made me sooooooo mad when I read it.
 
#14
Signed ... although why squaddies cant just shoot abusive (muslim?) civi's who hector them in their nhs hospital rooms/wards I dont know. Call it a terrorist attack and the paperworks sorted.
 
#15
It is a disgrace that this country does NOT have military hospitals.

This disgrace is compounded when regarding the state of the NHS hospitals and their propensity to distribute, without fear or favour, a selection of life threatening bugs! I can quote examples.

Look big and send 'your' troops abroad Bliar you rat brained sh*t, and then ensure your repellent 'book-keeper' does not fund them adequately.

I loathe, detest and hate the shi*es calling themsleves NeuBliarbour or whatever their ludicrous name is.
 
#16
mucus said:
I would have thought, correct me if I'm wrong here, but a mil hospital located at say, Brize Norton and manned by medics from all three services would work?

After all, people come and go from there all the time.

What do you think?
The chance of an all military run hospital, for just military patients is not going to get off the ground, a military hospital ran by the DMS, but open to civvy patients and utilising civvy consultants, to me is an option but the costs will be prohibitive, so as the Colon says in the email closer ties and better consideration of military patients in (Selly Oak) NHS hospitals is probably the only option open now.
 
#17
[color=dark blue]The issues are:

Ensuring injured members of the armed forces (serving and veterans) can receive a level of priority that reflects their contribution to the nation (as evidenced by their injury) and therefore receive preferential treatment compared to other patient demands. This needs to be a balance between MOD funding and DOH funding, and MOD and DOH delivery.

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lf only it was just as clear cut, like that.

The Armed Forces are not playing on a level playing field, when it comes to the NHS. Especially, whether it is or isn't in a partnership with the Armed Forced.

This has to be highlighted, as only this week, l have witnessed gross ignorance, towards Veterans when it comes to receiving treatment from the NHS.

Ask yourself:

Why should veterans have to beg, just to receive the basic of services allowed to them? Especially, when they are in receipt of a War Pension. Would anyone expect Joe Bloggs too, particularly, if he had just fought in a conflict, been made homeless, unemployed......Oh, l forgot, its a whole different story too, if you happen to be a foreign national in the UK, then it becomes an automatic right.

That brings me onto the following, the booklets:-
‘Commission for Health Improvement: What CHI has found in – mental health trusts; sector reports’.
This can be found at http://www.healthcare-commission.org.uk/aboutus/howdowework


This is quite an informative booklet, especially the quote from the introduction (page 4), made by Dame Deirdre Hind:
‘lt gives our view of how well mental health services are meeting the needs of service users'.

We use the term ‘Service users’ rather than ‘patients’ throughout this report as the commonly accepted term in the sector.

Then the following:

‘Modernising Mental Health Services: Safe, sound and supportive’.
A quote from the Foreword by the then then Secretary of State, Frank Dobson:

‘All these measures and many more in this document should help make sure that in future patients, service users, carers, and the public get a better deal from the mental health system. To fund these improvements over the next three years we will find an extra 700 million for health and social services to invest in the better treatment and care of mental illness’.


The next leaflet:

Healthcare Commission ‘Equality, diversity and human rights’.

Our statement of intent:
‘Our statement of intent on promoting human rights and reducing inequalities in health and healthcare was published in February 2005. lt outlines our commitment to addressing inequalities by looking at healthcare services from the point of view of those less able to assert their rights. We will demonstrate our commitment to equality, diversity and human rights in:

Ø Developing our criteria for assessment
Ø Targeting and carrying out our programme of work
Ø Our dealing with patients and the public
Ø The recruitment and development of our staff

The NHS has a really effective record of:
holding out their hands, for funding, mission statements as well as work ethos'.....
However, try debating the above (there are more booklets, this is just a random selection), with the staff - and l would be fair in saying, they haven't got a Scooby!


ln each of these leaflets, 'everyone' and l mean 'everyone' is catered for, special funding given to minority groups - because their findings highlighted an absolute must in that particular area.

However, the NHS is given the funding from the budget, and in some instances they work as a partnership with the MOD......But, NOWHERE in each of these leaflets (and the others), does it mention ex-forces/veterans/Armed Forces - that equal opportunities for you!

Remind me, AGAIN, what does 'Equality, diversity and human rights', actually mean to the NHS? How diverse could the NHS get, working in tandem with the MOD? Human Rights, well a Veteran is no-longer a member of the Her Majesty Armed Forces.

However, saying that, government agencies cannot and should not be allowed to pick and chose, those that are covered by Human Rights....lt is inhuman, inside that lovely uniform is a PERSON.

Before, firing back at my thread.

Remember you will not always be in the Armed Forces. Hopefully, and l say this with all of my heart, you won't, ever require the need for treatment, that others at this moment in time are so rightly fighting for......But, momentarily, we need to establish the basic foundations, we need recognition within the NHS; service users, are NOT members or veterans of the Armed Forces.

You may be one of those mentioned, less able to assert your 'rights', but you are NOT included within their policies. Talk about an inclusive medical service the NHS, and you may as well be up there with 'The Jetsons', on another planet.............

Perhaps NEW LABOUR - NO SHAME, Minister for Health could explain why this is??

l would say that, l won't hold my breath waiting because that is what NEW LABOUR - NO SHAME would absolutely love!


...................Amen
 
#18
The truth of the matter is that when the decision to close military hospitals down was made, no one thought we would actually go to war again, and the Armed Forces would only ever take part in peacekeeping operations, thus sustaining minimal casualties.

It was extremely short sighted, and didn't even take into account that human nature is not really about loving thy neighbour, but about subjugating or killing thy neighbour instead.

One of the main reasons quoted for not reopening, or building a military hospital is the lack of medical and nursing staff in the forces. However, this problem never used to exist when we had military hospitals! Why? :?

Because military nurses and doctors LIKED working in military hospitals. They HATE working in the NHS! So why put up with 2 sets of politics (military and NHS), risk being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, move yourself and your family around every few years on posting AND have to work in the NHS, when they can leave the forces and just work in the NHS without all that extra baggage!

Yes, military medical personnel are paid more than their NHS counterparts, but it obviously isn't about the money! It'll take a government with balls to take the decision to bring back military hospitals - but New Labour isn't that government, and the current opposition parties are no better. :x :x
 
#19
Lesleycape said:
The truth of the matter is that when the decision to close military hospitals down was made, no one thought we would actually go to war again, and the Armed Forces would only ever take part in peacekeeping operations, thus sustaining minimal casualties.
Lesleycape said:


It was extremely short sighted, and didn't even take into account that human nature is not really about loving thy neighbour, but about subjugating or killing thy neighbour instead.

One of the main reasons quoted for not reopening, or building a military hospital is the lack of medical and nursing staff in the forces. However, this problem never used to exist when we had military hospitals! Why? :?

Because military nurses and doctors LIKED working in military hospitals. They HATE working in the NHS! So why put up with 2 sets of politics (military and NHS), risk being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, move yourself and your family around every few years on posting AND have to work in the NHS, when they can leave the forces and just work in the NHS without all that extra baggage!

Yes, military medical personnel are paid more than their NHS counterparts, but it obviously isn't about the money! It'll take a government with balls to take the decision to bring back military hospitals - but New Labour isn't that government, and the current opposition parties are no better. :x :x


1. Highlighted blue: l suppose NEW LABOUR - NO SHAME was also under the impression that a soldier needed nowhere to live, given the lack of quarters..................Lets keep sending our Armed Forces away on repeated operational tours, as well as sorting out any national emergencies in-between; what do they need a quarter/home for?

2. Highlighted blue: NEW LABOUR - NO SHAME does have BALLS! he's called ED,ED BALLs.................'Nuff said, on that band of substance takers-NEW LABOUR - NO SHAME!
 

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