New PD 002 - SSgt/WO2 in trade

#1
At last the SSgt/WO2 in trade has been ratified. Check out the SOinC page PD 002.

Key points;

You must declare your intent to be SSgt/WO2 in trade before your 16th year.

To protect the Supervisory and RD route SSgt/WO2 in trade will be eligable for LOW BAND pay only and have a promotion cap of WO2.


Good news and well implemented. It will be of use for some and certain appointments while ensuring it does not undermine the hard work done by those on the Supvr and RD roster.

No doubt those already in SSgt/WO2 in trade will complain, enjoy the pay cut :wink:
 
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#3
Disco said:
It will be of use for some and certain appointments while ensuring it does not undermine the hard work done by those on the Supvr and RD roster.
Surely a WO2 in trade deserves more, if not equal pay to a SSM? What does the SSM do to deserve high band pay? Why does a SSM rate the same as FofS, YofS, FofS (IS) or YofS (EW)?

Discuss.
 
#4
I understand why capped at Low band - hamstrung by the inflexibility of Pay 2000 ... bless it.

In trade until WO2 - something I banged on about during my service. Only 5 or so years too late for me.
 
#5
What you need is system to plug a few gaps not a system that encourages not to be competative on the RD roster or bail out of Supvr selection.

I would say these slots are less about hands on but more about asset HR managment with a dash of experience and knowledge.

To be honest I was suprised they put in the low band caveat however it used to annoy me that Tech and Inst Tech SSgt would be in trade roles but suffer low band while a SSgt IS would cover a Supvr slot and be given high band, where was the parity in that?

As it says in the PD this will provide a route for those NOT competative enough for the RD roster and those who did not take the Supvr route.
 
#10
IS Ski Geek said:
Does this mean we are going to stop SSgt in trade going on the FofS IS roster and then * up the pay.
Remember that there are also Staffies on the YofS and FofS courses.
 
#11
Got to admit with an earlier post, I don't see why an RD WO2 SSM can be considered better value for money than a WO2 Tech/Operator/IS Engineer. That said I don't believe they should be high band either.

The answer would be surely to stick them all on low band, they (the RD) chose that route rather than challenging their technical/supervisory abilities.

RSM, high band, of course. It is the pinnacle of the RD route, but it isn't fair for someone potentially involved in the delivery of multi-million pound highly technical contracts to be paid less than a boots and haircut machine of the same rank.
 
#12
NORTERN YOU ARE A MUPPET,
go and sign for your "potentially mutil-million pound highly technincal kit" from, ( probable 1 of 10 he holds and the rest of the Regt's assets) the boots and haircut machine of the same rank,
 
#13
chedder04 said:
NORTERN YOU ARE A MUPPET,
go and sign for your "potentially mutil-million pound highly technincal kit" from, ( probable 1 of 10 he holds and the rest of the Regt's assets) the boots and haircut machine of the same rank,
erm, Northern, not NORTERN.

Sounds like an SQMS, didn't mention you guys, still, at least your response was reasoned and not a knee-jerk feisty reaction.

:roll:
 
#14
chedder04 said:
NORTERN YOU ARE A MUPPET,
go and sign for your "potentially mutil-million pound highly technincal kit" from, ( probable 1 of 10 he holds and the rest of the Regt's assets) the boots and haircut machine of the same rank,
If he is a muupet, then you are a bigger one.

WOII in trade = Good
SSM getting the same money as the FoS and Yos = Insane.
WOII in trade getting less than the SSM = Just as idiotic.
 
#15
Northern appologies (sausage fingers)
you will find that the SQMS,( which i am not) gets his kit from an RQ, unless i am very much mistaken,who happens to be an RD,
 
#17
chedder04 said:
NORTERN YOU ARE A MUPPET,
go and sign for your "potentially mutil-million pound highly technincal kit" from, ( probable 1 of 10 he holds and the rest of the Regt's assets) the boots and haircut machine of the same rank,
Clown!

So you reckon a Bde Sig Sqn SSM is as worthy as the FofS or YofS in that unit do you? Dream on. Left right left right left right left. Get your hair cut! Why weren't you on PT? Did learning all those phrases invlove a course lasting several months and a rigourous selection policy? I think not!!
 
#18
Trying to soften the blow for you. As it happens I will not be one of those who sign the kit from you. I sit very firmly on the supervisory fence. I am happy for those soldiers who now have the chance to reach Warrant Officer in trade but I still say that what they have to offer (and believe you me they're going need to be bloody good to get a warrant) is far in excess what you or your brethren could and therefore deserve parity with yourself.

This isn't a dig but the truth.

Consider the following.

Could you do their job as well as they could do yours?
What is the equivalent job prospects/financial standards that you and the in trades could expect on the outside?

Like I said, not a dig but a reasoned argument/debate.
 
#19
are we talking about the RD rosta or just the SSM post, if we are you could be on to something,
but as i have said the RQ including the ones in a Bde Sqn are worth the higher pay band, if you have worked in a Bde you would no that,
dont forget though the SSM can be posted to fill the RQ spot.
he (RD) will probable need to do both post's before he gets promoted, unlike the birthday boys
 
#20
chedder04 said:
are we talking about the RD rosta or just the SSM post, if we are you could be on to something,
but as i have said the RQ including the ones in a Bde Sqn are worth the higher pay band, if you have worked in a Bde you would no that,
dont forget though the SSM can be posted to fill the RQ spot.
he (RD) will probable need to do both post's before he gets promoted, unlike the birthday boys
(My bold) In the old days, maybe. But not anymore. I know quite a few SSMs who have been promoted to WO1 without having done an RQ job.
 
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