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'Not only that but the "error messages" appear to be deliberately misleading and try to get you to buy rent Office 365. '

Noooooooo!!!!! apple have never lied to their victi - er, users. I don't believe it. I **won't** believe it.

as an aside @redshift - as someone who's been in corporate IT for the start of a fourth decade - no one uses macs for anything serious. and I've worked across the private and public sector, in telecoms, healthcare, finance and the emergency services. I've seen ipads and iphones used a fair bit in some hospitals for limited applications and convenience, but never macs. they're overpriced, flighty, and have absolutely sh1t performance next to a pc of the same price.
Not sure how things work in the division of IBM in the UK, but Macs constitute over 30 to 40 % in the U.S.

 
"IBM revealed over 277,000 macOS and iOS devices have been deployed to IBM employees around the globe with the 130,000 Macs in-place leading to consistently less IT support required over PC counterparts."
 

OneTenner

Old-Salt
"IBM revealed over 277,000 macOS and iOS devices have been deployed to IBM employees around the globe with the 130,000 Macs in-place leading to consistently less IT support required over PC counterparts."
So 277k-130k = 147k phones, the 130k require less support because no-one is using them... Presumably those figures are from last century and published by Apple - have you any idea how many IBM employ globally?
Heres a tip:-
pick up your crayons
And.
Feck.
Off.
 

Motaka

Clanker
Not sure how things work in the division of IBM in the UK, but Macs constitute over 30 to 40 % in the U.S.

Pro tip- Become aware that the US population equates to 4.5% of the world's total.

And as a side note. IBM gave up on the PC space years ago.
 
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So 277k-130k = 147k phones, the 130k require less support because no-one is using them... Presumably those figures are from last century and published by Apple - have you any idea how many IBM employ globally?
Heres a tip:-
pick up your crayons
And.
Feck.
Off.
Pro tip- Become aware that the US population equates to 4.5% of the world's total.

And as a side note. IBM gave up on the PC space years ago.
Doesn't still address the fact IBM uses a tons of Macs does it?
 

maguire

LE
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'macOS and iOS' - a pound to a penny to a pinch of sh1t the vast bulk of those are phones and tablets. I've seen the prices apple charge for corporate contracts, and while IBM may have no doubt handed out a few macs here and there, it'll have told the majority of the 'oooh, I'm special, I have to work on a mac' crowd to suck it up and use a Windows machine like everyone else.
 
We used to give away ipads to wholesale customers using the company's software - until the first IOS update broke it.

Now they get (and prefer) Samsung Android pads.
 
Doesn't still address the fact IBM uses a tons of Macs does it?
You have a knack of turning the most benign of threads into a shitflinging, unreadable mess, all about you, you thick wretch.
Please go and give Australia the benefit of your schoolyard wisdom.
 
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Most places I've worked use active directory and loadsa file servers, Mac's don't integrate that well into that environment, so pc's plus laptops running Microsoft it is.
 
The hilarious thing about Mac users like @redshift is they fail to understand that they are paying £1500+ for an OS. Everything inside an iMac can be bought off the shelve, shoved into a case at a fraction of the price.

Trololol.
This thread is a bit like a discussion on Marmite. I paid 1000 USD for my Macbook Air 4 years ago and it works. Never had a prob with it.
 

Motaka

Clanker
The hilarious thing about Mac users like @redshift is they fail to understand that they are paying £1500+ for an OS. Everything inside a iMac can be bought off the shelve, shoved into a case at a fraction of the price.

A fool and his money are easily parted.

Trololol.
 
The hilarious thing about Mac users like @redshift is they fail to understand that they are paying £1500+ for an OS. Everything inside a iMac can be bought off the shelve, shoved into a case at a fraction of the price.

A fool and his money are easily parted.

Trololol.
I bought mine for $1100 back in 2013 as a Black Friday sale.

Apart from the screen replacement (my fault) - works fine. It's mental that some of the new phones go over a Macbook pro, price wise.
 
So need a new pc, current novatech pc is 11 years old, running windows 7 & very slow.
Northbridge chipset has issues and usb ports at front stopped working recently.

Looked at novatech & pc specialist, any other good reliable to look at.
Base Unit only so Budget £700.

Already have Keyboard/Mouse/Speakers & Monitor
Is it a gaming computer?

If you don't game a lot, I'd take AMD's Apu and save on the graphic card. Get nvme as a main storage for os and applications and HDD for a bigger and slower storage (music, photos etc).

Unless you ate buying second hand stuff for a very good price there is no reason to go Intel
 
They may not run "scared" but look at how little they are making or even in losses, compared to how much Apple is putting in the bank in profits....almost 14 billion USD. (yes, that's net profit, not revenue, which is 260 billion something)..compared to maybe 100 million in total for all the other companies you mentioned combined?

Like I said, I don't care, just choose what you suits your need.

And no, IBM issues macbooks...not just iPhones.

 

Blogg

LE
Macbooks and iMacs are 2 different things. Both are hugely overpriced.
iMacs are essentially laptops mounted on a stick. In past at least prone to overheating to extent that brother in law had to have a fan behind his.

But if it's pricey you want:
 

chrismcd

Old-Salt
Arrse is definitely the place to fight old battles!

The relationship between Apple and Microsoft goes beyond incestuous - why bicker over it?

I use both PC's and Mac's for the reasons given above.

My PC is a desktop using second hand kit from my sons bleeding edge gaming machine. I need it for weird software - like the camera attachment for my microscope.

I use a MacBook Pro to surf the web (am writing this on a sofa in the conservatory) and to do all sorts of things on Ms Office. Hence my irritation on the latest OS upgrade - but I do not want to stop using Ms Office - I got brainwashed at an early age.

I have used a Mac since 1985 when it was the best way of doing mailshots disguised as personal letters (Mac + Word + Excel + laser printer). When I changed companies in 1986 I was told Excel was not available on a PC and I had to use Lotus 1-2-3, so you can see why I "love' Microsoft software.

I feel safer surfing the web on a Mac. After all it is a flavour of Unix that was developed in universities full of IT students trying to show off their hacking skills. The last time I got a virus was 1986 and I do scan regularly because Mac users are dangerously complacent - make good phishing targets!

Also, the few Mac users out there are unlikely to be the target of choice for all those Ukrainian script kiddies working on their latest ransomware.

Safety in insignificance?

And yes my latest MBP cost too bloody much and it has nothing but USB-C ports. It is replacing a previous one where the trackpad was screwed by the swelling battery - but it was 15 years old and can now act a backup.
 
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