New Paramilitary Force?

Should the UK have a Paramilitary Law Enforcement Agency as well as CivPol.

  • Yes. Where do I sign up?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No. The Chavs, dealers etc just need to be loved...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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#1
I raised this idea in the "They really are becoming animals" Thread, and it seemed popular with some ARRSEr's. So I thought I set up a Poll.

This is NOT a plod-bashing Thread. I simply believe that the point has beeen reached where the police, at the very least, need "reinforcements".

Drastic times require drastic measures.
 
#2
Fcuking good idea. Better than ANY alternative I've heard from a politician so far.
 
#4
To be fair you haven't really given enough options as to other methods, you've just put an all or nothing vote, which isn't going to get a very fair answer.

I happen to agree with the paramilitary idea, however I am sure there are people who have other suggestions that are a bit less extreme on either ends of the scale.
 
#6
No
We don't need a paramilitary Police Force of any description.
We just need effective Policing free from political interference, just like we had once upon a time.
It really is that simple, a return to the type of Policing that used to keep most places in a reasonably peacable state. Old fashioned, well balanced and fair Policing.
 
#7
The problem is it's going to take a generation to dismantle the red tape, change the institutional mindset of the police and judiciary and instill respect for the common-or-garden bobby again. We can't maintain the status quo that long without something exploding.

Get us some gendarmerie. Half a dozen FAMAS' on a street corner fecking makes me behave myself...
 
#8
usmarox said:
The problem is it's going to take a generation to dismantle the red tape, change the institutional mindset of the police and judiciary and instill respect for the common-or-garden bobby again. We can't maintain the status quo that long without something exploding.

Get us some gendarmerie. Half a dozen FAMAS' on a street corner fecking makes me behave myself...
It won't take a generation.
It would just take a simple overhaul and removal of the vast majority of new laws that Brown and Blair have inundated the country with.
That and a retraining program for the Police, possibly done by last generation/retired Police Officers that are unencumbered by the bollox that has sprung up in the last 11 or 12 years.

Simple fact is we are overburdened with legislation that is both un-necessary and innapropriate.
 
#9
Dr_Chris said:
To be fair you haven't really given enough options as to other methods, you've just put an all or nothing vote, which isn't going to get a very fair answer.

I happen to agree with the paramilitary idea, however I am sure there are people who have other suggestions that are a bit less extreme on either ends of the scale.
Like any soldier, the last thing I want is a fair fight! :twisted:

I admit that I did'nt give too much in the way of options in this Poll. But that's mainly because I'm sick to the back teeth of bullsh1t, empty promises and moral cowerdice from our so-called leaders. Frankly, I'm mad as Hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore. I don't want talk, I want action - NOW, not in the future. :evil:
 
#10
jagman said:
usmarox said:
The problem is it's going to take a generation to dismantle the red tape, change the institutional mindset of the police and judiciary and instill respect for the common-or-garden bobby again. We can't maintain the status quo that long without something exploding.

Get us some gendarmerie. Half a dozen FAMAS' on a street corner fecking makes me behave myself...
It won't take a generation.
It would just take a simple overhaul and removal of the vast majority of new laws that Brown and Blair have inundated the country with.
That and a retraining program for the Police, possibly done by last generation/retired Police Officers that are unencumbered by the bollox that has sprung up in the last 11 or 12 years.

Simple fact is we are overburdened with legislation that is both un-necessary and innapropriate.
Re-training still takes time; according to one CO19 instructor, it would take 5 years to train all front-line coppers to basic AFO standards. And only if you froze recruitment for those 5 years.

It would not be easy to change the mindset of the present day police. And even after you have doen so, you still have earn the fear/respect of the violent scum minority.

Better to set up a whole new Force that can hit the ground running, IMHO.
 
#11
I used my own little paramilitary force when the Police were ineffectual in dealing with my problem neighbours and refused to intervene. They soon intervened when we kicked the door down though and my little force ended up arrested!
I'm all for it and it's the only thing that mongs understand - a good kicking.
 
#12
Paramilitary police force under control of defence ministry?

Sounds alot like the French Gendarmes....

police become localised and part of local authorities, basically jumped up traffic wardens.

Gendarmes work in france, because although they have a lot of power, they are intelligent in their discretionary use of these.

In UK, would it work? nor so sure- we don't have the napoleonic code approach to our legal system (i.e. you can't do anything until it is authorised)

What is worth thinking about, is that if this poll was phrased as "UK to conform to continental/EU standard policing", the results might be completely opposite.......
 
#13
Of course, as an afterthought, bringing the chavmongscum to heel requires more than a police force, regardless of how scary they are.

Without the prison space and the legal support to allow them to operate effectively, it's all likely to be pissing in the wind.
 
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#14
usmarox said:
Of course, as an afterthought, bringing the chavmongscum to heel requires more than a police force, regardless of how scary they are.

Without the prison space and the legal support to allow them to operate effectively, it's all likely to be pissing in the wind.
Surely we could just find an abandoned island somewhere and just dump them and leave them to fend for themselves.

If people don't want to end up there then thye shouldn't act like cnuts.
 
#15
1. remove the political control of the police that labour brought in.
2. define certain units within the police for 'riot control'.
3. have a couple of 'brave' plods arresting chavs. (with <2> in unmarked vans nearby.)
4. when chavs kick-off, give them a bit of 'tough love'.

rinse and repeat.

you wouldn't have to do it often for them to get the message.

edited to add. the good side of it is, you don't even need to arrest the chavs. cheap and effective.
 
#16
The Northern Irish were allowed to form the Ulster Defence Force, not to mention various other "defensive" para military groups.

We need to raise some Militias, maybe a force like the Black and Tans.

They could patrol with a proper copper, or with limitied powers alone.
 
#17
chocolate_frog said:
They could patrol with a proper copper, or with limitied powers alone.
Isn't that what they call a PCSO?

I'll not point out what's wrong with that...:)
 
#18
usmarox said:
chocolate_frog said:
They could patrol with a proper copper, or with limitied powers alone.
Isn't that what they call a PCSO?

I'll not point out what's wrong with that...:)
I venture to suggest that the Black and Tans/B Specials were rather more aggressive and formidible than the average PCSO, old boy! :twisted:
 
#19
jagman said:
No
We don't need a paramilitary Police Force of any description.
We just need effective Policing free from political interference, just like we had once upon a time.
It really is that simple, a return to the type of Policing that used to keep most places in a reasonably peacable state. Old fashioned, well balanced and fair Policing.
I don't think it is that simple. The times you are referring to did not just have the plod keeping the law. It had stable families and society with a common purpose. Every adult (near as damit) enforced the law. Parents generally supported the police. Schools taught right/wrong and disciplined unruly pupils. Adults had a work ethic and benefits where considered shameful. You was supposed to strive to live on your own merits and not expect the state to look after your every need (or more accurately, every want).

Common sense was used rather than legislation/litigation to solve problems and disputes. There was violence but very few murders, stabbings senseless attacks. Old people did feel safe and had a patriarchal role with respect from younger generations.

OK it wasn't perfect and problems including violence did happen. But it was a better safer society than we have now, despite the fact that we are now far richer in general.
 
#20
What we need is street judges, but I'm thinking more judge Death than judge Dread. But even Dreads a start, with running from the police/judges a capital offense as would resisting arrest and assault.

Harsh but fair IMHO. less red tape and less offenders in prison, also lets us use ah64 as a car theft interceptor (although using hellfire would be too expensive better sticking to the cannon.)

I_G
 

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