New NHS outfit for treating muslim women

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Muslim women could soon be offered a burka-style gown in NHS hospitals.

Doctors fear that many do not seek treatment because the standard issue gowns are not modest enough.

The Inter-Faith Gown is being piloted at the Royal Preston Hospital.

It reveals only the hands and eyes and has been introduced following claims from Muslim women that the regulation dress was too revealing and therefore contrary to their faith.

It marks the first change in regulation dress on the wards for decades and was created by Karen Jacob, the linen services manager at Lancashire Teaching Hospitals.

Following the trial at Preston, it is made available to other health authorities from November 1 and there has already been considerable interest. It will cost around £12.


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8O WTF? I thought this was a joke until I saw it in print. Hold on - if I've got this right, this outfit is to benefit muslim women looking for medical treatment who are 'offended' (so to speak) when treated by someone in a normal NHS gown showing hands, neck and face? What the heck next? Those who have a fetish or phobia for shoes will now be treated by medical staff in bare feet or socks? I understand that their religion omits them from showing their skin and hair up to the point where some women show only their eyes but that is their choice (or daddy's/hubby's). But there isn't a muslim hospital in this country (yet) so if you choose to be in a non-muslim country and you want to be treated in a non-muslim hospital, especially with our free health system, you take the staff as you get them. You don't like seeing medical staff's neck and hands, p1ss off and die.

I can't believe this shite. I bloody don't care it costs 'only' £12, info-commercials on tv is telling us that 50p will feed thousands of people, so why waste it on crapping uniform? WTF do these women do when they give birth?! They must have a laundry bill matching nursing pay. The way these PC arses carry on, you'd think muslim women must shit through material to adhere to their religion. Beyond idiotness, another issue giving the equally stupid BNP more support. :x
 
#3
Im offended by all clothing - can i have a nude nurse?

It is beynd ridiculous you do wonder who actually writes this stuff and who thinks it is worthy of adherence.

When it calls itself an "interfaith" gown is that because of the growing number of Jews Buddhists and Christians that dont like to see other peoples flesh or are they just refusing to name names?
 
#4
Looks like a Dr Who villain.

Cretinous, vile, immoral stupidity. And deeply offensive.
 
#5
I thought this gown was for the patient to wear! I am now confused......
 
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It's not about Muslims being offended by other revealing their skin, it's about patients being comfortable while in hospital. Some Women of the Islamic faith see covering themselves as an integral part of that faith, so why shouldn't they be assisted in doing that by a public body that they pay into?

If you're going to starting bashing muslims and the arguable islamo-pandering of this government, at least pick a topic that doens't make you look like a small-minded bigot.
 
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MyssL said:
8O WTF? I thought this was a joke until I saw it in print. Hold on - if I've got this right, this outfit is to benefit muslim women looking for medical treatment who are 'offended' (so to speak) when treated by someone in a normal NHS gown showing hands, neck and face? What the heck next?
Nope, I think you have it wrong - as I understand the article it is for the muslim woman to wear, and not for those that are treating her. What other people wear is a matter for them. What the muslim woman is made to wear may run contrary to her faith and an extremely clever individual has spotted a niche in the market and exploited it.
 
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In a stressful and demanding job their is now going to be even more BS thrown about.

Im sorry you cant go and see mrs. XXXX unless you are wearing a gown.
There has been a complaint from Mrs. XXXX when you visited you didnt have your gown on.

The NHS is a service industry it is their to provide healthcare, vis a vis, it is their to make sick people better, broken people fixed and dying poeple comfortble until they die.

Provided more living people leave the doors of hospitals than dead ones I dont think we should ask an already overworked undrpaid proffession to do anything more.
 
#10
Fantastic! Do they come in DPM as well?

This could be a possible solution to the lack of ethnic recruits in the army.

They could also be an excellent base for making a ghillie suit.
 

BBear

LE
Kit Reviewer
#11
It's all just another attempt at grabbing a little bit more power, every little bit helps! Bah - If you live in a non-muslim country you abide by non-muslim customs, or you bloody well ought to!
 
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Aaah nice one, thanks for putting that right Sammy. Still don't agree with it, you would need to show some patch of skin for most treatment anyway.

Chalky - Please don't jump on that bandwagon, you're even presuming that I'm not muslim. My main gripe is that it's a pointless waste of money regardless who the uniform is for when there are more urgent issues this money could be put towards. If you don't like showing the area that needs treatment, don't go to a UK hospital.
 
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MyssL said:
If you don't like showing the area that needs treatment, don't go to a UK hospital.
What a stupid arguement. If you have an abdominal injury would you be expected to walk around in a pair of NHS undies in case, god forbid, you covered your injury? This is for those patients who will spend some time on the wards, possibly mixed wards, who want to feel comfortable in that environment and adhere to their religious code, as is their individual right.
If a person feels similarly exposed and it's not part of their religious edict then they can wear them too! Where does it say muslim only?

And as for adhering to our customs and laws, where does it say in the statute books of Parliament or the annals of the Church of England that we must all wear backless surgical gowns and damn well like it?

As for the cost, well, I'd hardly call £12 a huge layout, would you? If you were to buy one for every muslim woman in the country (and bear in mind that most muslim women do not cover themselves fully) assuming they'd all be going into hospital at the same time, it would only be enough to buy 3 MRI scanners and still not have the money to hire staff to operate them.

Considering that most of the women that may choose to use these would be living in this country legally and have contributed to the NHS in some way, be it themselves or supporting someone who does as a wife or mother, I think they have every right to ask for a £12 surgical gown that may preserve their interpretation of dignity.

And even if you are muslim, so what? You still got the wrong end of the stick and posted something trivial with a view to making it inflammatory.
 

BBear

LE
Kit Reviewer
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12 extra to the gowns that would be bought for them anyways.

When I was last in hospital for an operation, i had to walk around with my ass in the breeze - just part and parcel of hospital life.

I agree with the posts above, offended? Would rather not live than show flesh? Well then, operate on yourself!
 
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Chalky said:
Considering that most of the women that may choose to use these would be living in this country legally and have contributed to the NHS in some way, be it themselves or supporting someone who does as a wife or mother, I think they have every right to ask for a £12 surgical gown that may preserve their interpretation of dignity.
Furthermore, if it makes them feel more comfortable they are likely to recover faster - hence saving the NHS money.
 
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BBear said:
When I was last in hospital for an operation, i had to walk around with my ass in the breeze
LOL, I was the same when I went in, all the windows open on the wards in the middle of November freezing my nads off!!

This narks me when all of our hospitals are currently running massively over-budget, cuts are having to be made in some departments, some potentially life preserving drugs can't be made available on the nhs due to expense, the problems with mrsa, travel services for oaps cut in my area recently due to lack of funds!!
Yet they are willing to fork out 12 quid per gown for muslim birds!!
Fcuk faith,
Choose life!!
If they want treatment they should have to wear the arse exposing paper towel gown like the rest of us!!!
 
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Chalky said:
You still got the wrong end of the stick
Pot and kettle.

With abdominal pains, I don't expect people to walk around in NHS undies but to be treated as normal regardless of faith.
I don't recall mentioning about adhering to our laws and statutes, my point is they should be glad as anyone else to be treated the way we all are in a NHS hospital. Anyone with a disposition to exposing their flesh can have the curtain drawn if needs be as always, hospitals can deal with respecting people's privacy.
£12 is not a huge layout as it seems, but who knows how many gowns are required? Thousands? Millions? As mentioned, we are told that pennies given to the appropriate charity can help thousands in poverty and there are nursing staff and hospital closure issues that I would say IMO that are more pressing and require money, however minimal.
Seems like such a trivial matter has also prompted other to react too on this thread and another -then we all must be bigots!

Inflammatory? It did anger me but I didn't post it to provoke the same in others, I posted it because I think its another ludicrous idea which could push others to support political parties that have right wing race issues on their agenda. And I mentioned about assuming I'm not muslim because you said I was starting 'muslim-bashing' - which would be silly if I were of the same race.

You saw my one post about not liking this gown and made wrong assumptions about my overview initially ignoring the cost issue altogether. I'm not going to waste any more time arguing on an overeaction; I posted a view, you disagreed, fine. No sleep not lost on my account.
 
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MyssL said:
Chalky said:
You still got the wrong end of the stick
£12 is not a huge layout as it seems, but who knows how many gowns are required? Thousands? Millions? As mentioned, we are told that pennies given to the appropriate charity can help thousands in poverty and there are nursing staff and hospital closure issues that I would say IMO that are more pressing and require money, however minimal.
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Alright if your dislike of this gown is due purely to financial ground then consider this.

A devout Muslim women finds a lump, goes to the Doctor who recommends a biopsy, 3 day stay in hospital, possible drugs treatment as it was caught early enough. = Cost to the NHS £X plus £12 for new gown.

Same women, same lump Doctor advises the same but as the woman will not go to the hospital as she will be going against her religion by being seen uncovered by strange males, she doesn't bother.
So her lump progresses into full blown cancer until she is forced into hosptial, massive operation, chemo etc etc = Cost to the NHS £lots and lotsand lots, oh and minus £12 for the gown.

Sounds like not offering these gowns is a really good finacial idea then?
 
#20
Steven said:
MyssL said:
Chalky said:
You still got the wrong end of the stick
£12 is not a huge layout as it seems, but who knows how many gowns are required? Thousands? Millions? As mentioned, we are told that pennies given to the appropriate charity can help thousands in poverty and there are nursing staff and hospital closure issues that I would say IMO that are more pressing and require money, however minimal.
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Alright if your dislike of this gown is due purely to financial ground then consider this.

A devout Muslim women finds a lump, goes to the Doctor who recommends a biopsy, 3 day stay in hospital, possible drugs treatment as it was caught early enough. = Cost to the NHS £X plus £12 for new gown.

Same women, same lump Doctor advises the same but as the woman will not go to the hospital as she will be going against her religion by being seen uncovered by strange males, she doesn't bother.So her lump progresses into full blown cancer until she is forced into hosptial, massive operation, chemo etc etc = Cost to the NHS £lots and lotsand lots, oh and minus £12 for the gown.

Sounds like not offering these gowns is a really good finacial idea then?
My bold,

If your religion means that much that you would sacrifice your health for it, then maybe some more praying could be in order to get him upstairs to treat you. Life is a trade off and this is one of them.

I don't see muslim countries making nearly as much dispensation for christians, so a it of perspective is in order!

OS
 

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