New navy subs

#1
Just spotted this on the beeb Clicky

Could this be the reason for doubt over the new carriers? Perhaps Whitehall is seeing these as more mandatory since they will be carrying Trident V2.0. Does anybody have any more info on them in terms of what makes them so advanced compared to some of the newer US subs (other than the reactor and no need to surface)?
 
#2
These are Astute nuclear attack submarines, designed to hunt other subs and attack land targets with Tomahawk missiles.The Ballistic Missile Submarines have not been designed yet.
 
#3
Yes that’s the ones currently being built, but isn’t the next lot (same/similar to these) for carrying the new trident? I’m just going by what the article says.
 
#4
Hunt subs
Hunt surface ships
Inelligence Gathering (inc picking up signals)
Land attack with Tomahawk
Insert/Extract special forces
etc
 
#5
The ones for Trident will be bigger! Keep an eye out for what the Americans are designing, this should give you an idea of where we might head.
Would not some conventional subs be better for SF insertion/extraction?
 
#6
"Would not some conventional subs be better for SF insertion/extraction? "

Yes - but they are a lot slower to get to where they need to be.
 

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#7
These will be handy for when the Taleban/Al Qa'eda acquire ballistic missile submarines... and we can use Typhoons to shoot down the Taleban/Al Qa'eda air force too. I shall sleep safely in my bed tonight, in the knowledge that our brave brethren in dark and light blue are playing their part in defeating all current threats to our great Nation.
 
#10
cpunk said:
These will be handy for when the Taleban/Al Qa'eda acquire ballistic missile submarines... and we can use Typhoons to shoot down the Taleban/Al Qa'eda air force too. I shall sleep safely in my bed tonight, in the knowledge that our brave brethren in dark and light blue are playing their part in defeating all current threats to our great Nation.
Bear in mind that it was the fear of a couple of RN submarines that kept the Argentinian navy in port after the Belgrano was sunk. Without them, Invincible and/or Hermes may very well have ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

The Astute submarines can also launch cruise missiles that have proved to be vital in recent conflicts.
 
#12
cpunk said:
These will be handy for when the Taleban/Al Qa'eda acquire ballistic missile submarines... and we can use Typhoons to shoot down the Taleban/Al Qa'eda air force too. I shall sleep safely in my bed tonight, in the knowledge that our brave brethren in dark and light blue are playing their part in defeating all current threats to our great Nation.
Because, ofcourse these are the only threats in the world right now. I know we train to fight the last war, but mabey we could try and equipe for the next one.
 
#14
Khyros said:
Sounds like a similar concept to our new Virginia class boats...
Meanwhile Russia has launched its Borey-class submarine

The submarine has a length of 170 meters (580 feet), a body diameter around 13 meters (42 feet), and a submerged speed of about 29 knots. It can carry up to 16 ballistic missiles.
 
#15
cpunk said:
These will be handy for when the Taleban/Al Qa'eda acquire ballistic missile submarines... and we can use Typhoons to shoot down the Taleban/Al Qa'eda air force too. I shall sleep safely in my bed tonight, in the knowledge that our brave brethren in dark and light blue are playing their part in defeating all current threats to our great Nation.
:roll:

These are attack subs and as previously mentioned are used for Int collection and SF Insertion/Extraction amongst other things.

Have a look at the bigger picture-these will be in service for a minimum of 25 years...
 
#16
Yokel said:
Defence News said:
Following a stop in Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean to take on supplies, Superb continued national operations as part of the war against Global Counter Terrorism.
Will someone tell the Senior Service that they're supposed to be on our side. :roll:

3 new submarines under construction, an additional 4 to be awarded later. Anyone want to lay odds on that actually happening.

PB
 
#17
the_matelot said:
cpunk said:
These will be handy for when the Taleban/Al Qa'eda acquire ballistic missile submarines... and we can use Typhoons to shoot down the Taleban/Al Qa'eda air force too. I shall sleep safely in my bed tonight, in the knowledge that our brave brethren in dark and light blue are playing their part in defeating all current threats to our great Nation.
:roll:

These are attack subs and as previously mentioned are used for Int collection and SF Insertion/Extraction amongst other things.

Have a look at the bigger picture-these will be in service for a minimum of 25 years...
Should we not be capable of fighting from high to low intensity warfare? Britain has already been taking by surprise in two recent conventional wars, who's not to say that will not happen again?
 
#19
Sharpstick said:
Apparently they've been painted a brilliant white. This saves confusion on all sides (flags aren't great under water).
16 posts before this was mentioned. Either people are getting far too serious or standards are slipping :twisted:
 
#20
Navy's stealth submarine will rule the oceans Telegraph article this morning on this one raises a few new issues.

Quote: "A new £1.2 billion Royal Navy submarine which from the Channel is able to detect the QE2 cruise liner leaving New York harbour was unveiled yesterday...At a time when morale is suffering, the launch next month of the Navy's biggest ever hunter-killer submarine will also give hope that Service can provide considerable punch anywhere in the world."

So this will be good for morale, as well as being able to detect a ship from across the Atlantic (which, I have to admit, is a neat trick).

Quote: "If it could find a way of being self-sufficient in food, the submarine, theoretically, could remain submerged for 35 years as its nuclear reactor does not need refuelling and it can produce drinkable water by an onboard desalination plant. But life for the 98 crew has only improved to the point that the submariners have a tiny bunk space each, rather than sharing, and can now watch films on a plasma television."

I rather think there are other issues here. Presumably as well as a plasma TV, the crew can charge up their iPods (if they're not banned) from the reactor, and download tunes on the ELF radio?

On the food front, even if it could suck in plankton and create its own food as well, what would happen to the career structure of a submariner if he is kept underwater for 35 years? There have to be some other imperatives for coming up for air once in a while other than a bit of replen-at-sea!
 

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