New NATO intelligence chief was trained by KGB

#1
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/03/europe/nato.php

The new chief of the Hungarian secret services, who spent six years at the KGB's academy in Moscow during the 1980s, has become chairman of NATO's intelligence committee, a development that diplomats said could compromise the security of the alliance.

Sandor Laborc, 49, was personally chosen by Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany of Hungary as director of the country's counterintelligence National Security Office in December
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Soon after his appointment, Laborc took over the chairmanship of NATO's special committee dealing with a wide range of intelligence issues, a rotating post that is held for a year and which fell to Hungary last month, alliance officials confirmed Friday.
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NATO diplomats who did agree to discuss the appointment insisted on anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.
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"Here we have a person who was trained by the KGB. I cannot assume that he has changed that much in his attitudes," said ... NATO diplomat
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...military attachés from the Bulgarian delegation did not receive clearance to have access to a certain level of intelligence material.

"You could bet that anything we shared with Bulgaria inside NATO went straight to Moscow ," said another senior Western European diplomat. "The old Communist nomenklatura and secret services is still around in Romania and Bulgaria. But I must say the case of Hungary is very, very disappointing."
Congratulations Sandor!
 
#3
PassingBells said:
Clearly a case of 'Know your Enemy'.

Are you the enemy, Sergey?
Me? You joke. I'm a friend. Sometimes even I have a stange feeling that I begin to think in English...

Btw, Dzerzhinsky Academy was really Rocket Force academy, not KGB's one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_military_academies#Dzerzhinsky_Military_Academy_of_Rocket_Force

Dzerzhinsky Academy was moved from Leningrad to Moscow in 1958, the year before the Strategic Rocket Force (a counterpart of the USAF Strategic Air Commamnd ballistic missile branch) was formed. Now named Dzerzhinsky Rocket Force Academy
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The Academy was renamed after Peter the Great in 1997 - Peter the Great Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Force
 
#4
Why worry?

He's obviously well-trained and competent.
He will therefore be VERY good at keeping secrets, otherwise he will disappear [along with his family] to somewhere nasty.

Sounds like a good choice to me ;-)
 
#5
KGB_resident said:
The Academy was renamed after Peter the Great in 1997 - Peter the Great Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Force
That would be the Pyotr that built St Petersburg on a swamp with slave labour?

Good chap ... very enlightened for those days :wink:
 
#6
blue_sophist said:
KGB_resident said:
The Academy was renamed after Peter the Great in 1997 - Peter the Great Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Force
That would be the Pyotr that built St Petersburg on a swamp with slave labour?
Exactly.

blue_sophist said:
Good chap ... very enlightened for those days :wink:


Peter the 1st personally executed (beheaded) some rebels on the Red square.



 
#7
Nice pictures, Sergey.

St Petersberg is actually somewhere "over there" I am tempted to visit, just to see the museums [and I'm not even artsy!].

I wouldn't go to France or Germany from choice ... or indeed most of Europe, come to that! :)
 
#8
Now there's a surprise !

Still, the European Soviet Union must be expected to employ its own.

As for our apology for a government, I doubt that even the 'Stalinist Bottler' Mr. Bean - an unreconstructed Marxist if ever there was one - has noticed.

Odd this item is 'broken' on the day the Marxists are caught eavesdropping on one of their own. Reaction: Not me honest; no letter was received in No.10 honest.
 
#9
KGB_resident said:
Peter the 1st personally executed (beheaded) some rebels on the Red square.
As one does, of course ... Imperial rights, and that sort of thing.
In the Far West, we have a much gentler approach to such matters.
We give the poor shelter, masses of taxpayer's money for not working, and generally act as a magnet for those wishing to escape Eastern Europe ...

Oh, dear. That was your bit, wasn't it?
Didn't it all work out well for you. After years of imprisoning Eastern Europe, once they get freedom you get Western Europe to pay to look after the victims.

Russia always plays the long game :wink:
 
#11
KGB_resident said:
blue_sophist said:
KGB_resident said:
The Academy was renamed after Peter the Great in 1997 - Peter the Great Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Force
That would be the Pyotr that built St Petersburg on a swamp with slave labour?
Exactly.

blue_sophist said:
Good chap ... very enlightened for those days :wink:


Peter the 1st personally executed (beheaded) some rebels on the Red square.



Well, at least he did some of the wet-work himself; you have to respect a leader who's not afraid to get his hands dirty. :wink:

So what was the KGB Academy like, Sergey? I assume you are a graduate...
 
#12
The current Prime Minister of Hungary, Ferenc Gyurcsany (ex leader of the communist youth movement under the old regime) is personal friends with this man. There is uproar in Hungary over the appointment as further evidence of the regression of the security services and police into communist era behaviour. Gyurcsany (pronounced jerchann) is an unreconstructed communist who refuses to accept that the previous regime did anything wrong (including murdering their fellow countrymen in the '56 uprising).

BTW, Gyurcany declared his earnings and portfolio last week. He only owns one apartment (a 50sq metre apartment in northern Hungary which his mum lives in), and a declared income of 350,000 euros from the various companies he "purchased" from the State when communism collapsed. His net worth is several hundred million euros: he thinks himself a businessman, but in reality he is a liar and a thief (sounds like Bliar): he would buy a company worth 50million euros from the State for 10 thousand euros and then sell it for its real value. Cúnt.

His popularity is at an all time low: were there to be an election here in Hungary tomorrow his party would loose all but 20odd seats in parliament. Sadly, like the Britain and the **** Broon, this country is stuck with the twát for a few more years yet.

On a personal note, when I and my wench are out running we sometimes see the **** out jogging with his personal security detail (up to 10 officers). My wench never misses the opportunity to call him wánker and uses the old Magyar insult of "a horses dick to your arrse" (which is rather rude) :)
 
#13
Of course not, he was never there !!! :ufo: ......

do like the second picture, looks like a great pi$$ up, but the hangover could kill.....
 
#14
Dread said:
The current Prime Minister of Hungary, Ferenc Gyurcsany (ex leader of the communist youth movement under the old regime) is personal friends with this man. There is uproar in Hungary over the appointment as further evidence of the regression of the security services and police into communist era behaviour. Gyurcsany (pronounced jerchann) is an unreconstructed communist who refuses to accept that the previous regime did anything wrong (including murdering their fellow countrymen in the '56 uprising).

BTW, Gyurcany declared his earnings and portfolio last week. He only owns one apartment (a 50sq metre apartment in northern Hungary which his mum lives in), and a declared income of 350,000 euros from the various companies he "purchased" from the State when communism collapsed. His net worth is several hundred million euros: he thinks himself a businessman, but in reality he is a liar and a thief (sounds like Bliar): he would buy a company worth 50million euros from the State for 10 thousand euros and then sell it for its real value. Cúnt.

His popularity is at an all time low: were there to be an election here in Hungary tomorrow his party would loose all but 20odd seats in parliament. Sadly, like the Britain and the **** Broon, this country is stuck with the twát for a few more years yet.

On a personal note, when I and my wench are out running we sometimes see the **** out jogging with his personal security detail (up to 10 officers). My wench never misses the opportunity to call him wánker and uses the old Magyar insult of "a horses dick to your arrse" (which is rather rude) :)
Good Drills that woman! :twisted:
 
#15
Werewolf said:
So what was the KGB Academy like, Sergey? I assume you are a graduate...
There was Dzerzhinsky KGB's High School. My father and my wife graduated here. But not me.

As for the High Scholl itself then - nothing special. For example, my father was trained to conversate with people, to determine their habits, to stimulate them to boast and so on (there were many other courses of course). And all his life he served in military counter-intelligence. As for my wife then in Germany and Austria people use to be suprised to know that she is not native German. However, she left KGB long ago.
 

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#16
blue_sophist said:
Nice pictures, Sergey. St Petersberg is actually somewhere "over there" I am tempted to visit, just to see the museums [and I'm not even artsy!].
You should! I visited with a warship and had a great two weeks alongside. There are some spectacular places to visit; the hermitage/summer/winter palaces, church of spilled blood (big onion domes like the Kremlin) the Battleship Aurora, which played a major role in the 1917 revolution is there. Even just wandering along Nevsky prospecy is amazing for someone as nekulturny as myself.

May be different now but when we visited we had 'friends' who followed us all over. As it was a rig run it wasn't hard for them to spot us but I think they were bemused by Jack's lack of 'gamesmanship' - congregating in bars off Nevsky prospect and then offering our new buddies a beer to cool down after walking around with us.

All that aside, it really is worth a trip.
 
#17
Quite so, Sergey, I had an interesting conversation long, long ago with a USMC interrogator. People love to talk about themselves and their work, and he always maintained that you get far more useful information from someone that you've bought a drink for in a bar than you ever do beating 7 kinds of sh*t out of them in a darkened room (not half as much fun though).
 
#18
KGB_resident said:
[Peter the 1st personally executed (beheaded) some rebels on the Red square.
You can take the boy out of Sarf Lahndan, but...

(One of the few things I recall from A-Levels is that he lived in Deptford for a bit & drunkenly vandalised the locale, innit)
 
#19
KGB_resident said:
Werewolf said:
So what was the KGB Academy like, Sergey? I assume you are a graduate...
There was Dzerzhinsky KGB's High School. My father and my wife graduated here. But not me.

As for the High Scholl itself then - nothing special. For example, my father was trained to conversate with people, to determine their habits, to stimulate them to boast and so on (there were many other courses of course). And all his life he served in military counter-intelligence. As for my wife then in Germany and Austria people use to be suprised to know that she is not native German. However, she left KGB long ago.
Just read the Wiki entry on the FSB...yes, I have way too much time on my hands at the moment...according to the entry, FSB is much more powerful than the old KGB; the KGB were controlled by the Party, a State within a State. The FSB, by contrast, has so much power and influence it practicaly IS the State. 8O
 
#20
FrankCastle said:
KGB_resident said:
Werewolf said:
So what was the KGB Academy like, Sergey? I assume you are a graduate...
There was Dzerzhinsky KGB's High School. My father and my wife graduated here. But not me.

As for the High Scholl itself then - nothing special. For example, my father was trained to conversate with people, to determine their habits, to stimulate them to boast and so on (there were many other courses of course). And all his life he served in military counter-intelligence. As for my wife then in Germany and Austria people use to be suprised to know that she is not native German. However, she left KGB long ago.
Just read the Wiki entry on the FSB...yes, I have way too much time on my hands at the moment...according to the entry, FSB is much more powerful than the old KGB; the KGB were controlled by the Party, a State within a State. The FSB, by contrast, has so much power and influence it practicaly IS the State. 8O
This point of view has right to exist. However, "the party" was in fact a cover for relatively narrow circle of real decision makers. Their names were known though. By contrast, now the Russians are unware about their real rulers (with notable exception of mr.Putin). As for both KGB and FSB then they are no more than a sword in the hands of the rullers.

By the way, there exist real rulers of the UK as well and they decide who namely would represent their interests in 10. Though both variants for them are acceptable.
 

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