New name - Old wounds.

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Zarathustra

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#2
As they've yet to find any links between serving in the First Gulf War and people getting sick then Chronic Multi-symptom Illness seems appropriate as it's a chronic illness with multiple symptoms.
 
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Except, as normal, you're wrong again. It hasn't been renamed at all. The actual Veteran Affairs description is here;

Gulf War Veterans? Medically Unexplained Illnesses - Public Health

The term 'medically unexplained chronic multi symptom illnesses' (the correct descriptor rather than your invented, by the addition of capital letters, disease) is a descriptor of a set of symptoms with no identified cause. It doesn't have capital letters as it isn't a condition, it's a descriptor of a a set of symptoms with no obvious cause or classification.

Again all it shows is that an illness you are convinced exists doesn't in the minds of medicine or science, it's an amorphous mass of unexplained symptoms.

The VA's description direct from their website:

VA prefers not to use the term “Gulf War Syndrome” when referring to medically unexplained symptoms reported by Gulf War Veterans. Why? Because symptoms vary widely and therefore, do not meet the definition of a syndrome. A syndrome is a group of symptoms that usually occur together and characterize a certain disease or abnormal condition. That is why VA uses the terms “medically unexplained chronic multisymptom illnesses” and "undiagnosed illnesses" instead of “Gulf War Syndrome.”

ie it's not a single illness.
 
#4
Except, as normal, you're wrong again. It hasn't been renamed at all. The actual Veteran Affairs description is here;

Gulf War Veterans? Medically Unexplained Illnesses - Public Health

The term 'medically unexplained chronic multi symptom illnesses' (the correct descriptor rather than your invented, by the addition of capital letters, disease) is a descriptor of a set of symptoms with no identified cause. It doesn't have capital letters as it isn't a condition, it's a descriptor of a a set of symptoms with no obvious cause or classification.

Again all it shows is that an illness you are convinced exists doesn't in the minds of medicine or science, it's an amorphous mass of unexplained symptoms.
You have written that in such a way as if i have personally invented the name and imagined the whole array of illnesses that thousands on both sides of the Atlantic now suffer from.

'medically unexplained chronic multi symptom illnesses with no identified cause" ... tonight's episode of the Twilight Zone. :)
 
#7
I've always equated "Gulf War Syndrome" as the military version of M.E in that it's a convenient excuse for bluffing cnuts.
 

Grumblegrunt

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#8
its pot noodles from the naafi wot did it.

no one knows whats in them
 
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Zarathustra

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I've always equated "Gulf War Syndrome" as the military version of M.E in that it's a convenient excuse for bluffing cnuts.
Funny you mention that, out of all the people I know who served in the first gulf war not one of them has "Gulf War Syndrome" and I've never heard any stories about people suffering from it either (except for news/internet articles).
 
#10
All the people I know involved in Granby - not many to be truthful - were / are gopping fat cnuts who loved a sewn in crease and a "yellow handbag". Critters.
 

Grumblegrunt

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Funny you mention that, out of all the people I know who served in the first gulf war not one of them has "Gulf War Syndrome" and I've never heard any stories about people suffering from it either (except for news/internet articles).
Same here. There was one ex medic, I forget who but he is known to me, who got his grinner on the box whinging about how he was exposed to Malathion is large quantities during prisoner delousing. I'll let wikipaedia explain the side effects

Malathion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All done? Good. As soon as he got on the box, it was pointed out to him that he actually had **** all to do with prisoner handling as was actually a long way away, with other medics.

Bluffing ****
 
#13
So, in summary, Air Filter is a bluffing fat ****, resplendent in sharp creases, stooped from carrying handbags of Kraut piss and lives in a council house? What a ******* wretch.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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#14
to be fair though I put my name forward to go but the battalion I was with held me back. I did end up pumping a lot of syringes into guys in a very short space of time. we took them as well just in case but one a day not 20 in one go.

NAPS tablets might have a lot to do with it but none of the girls seem to have suffered and they were more at risk being child sized and taking adult doses.
 
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to be fair though I put my name forward to go but the battalion I was with held me back. I did end up pumping a lot of syringes into guys in a very short space of time. we took them as well just in case but one a day not 20 in one go.

NAPS tablets might have a lot to do with it but none of the girls seem to have suffered and they were more at risk being child sized and taking adult doses.
We were giving 6 in one go at Keogh as guys came through, three in each arm. We had a bunch of kiwis turn up and I was just banging them in and being on auto pilot by that point didn't ping that the one in front of me was a pint sized doris with arms like string. Rammed that needle right into the bone - not a happy camper
 
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We were giving 6 in one go at Keogh as guys came through, three in each arm. We had a bunch of kiwis turn up and I was just banging them in and being on auto pilot by that point didn't ping that the one in front of me was a pint sized doris with arms like string. Rammed that needle right into the bone - not a happy camper
Well thank you for your honesty nobbyd, now ask yourself how much medical ethics and correct medical protocol were breached in that moment of madness that you described.

Bet you did not know the long term health effects of injecting such a reckless combination ether did you ?
Reckless i hear you say ? well you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that mixing so much vaccinations in such a short space of time can create a potency in ones body.

The individual drugs and vaccinations may have been perfectly safe by themselves .. but in never before tested cocktail form ?

Then there is the serious issue of individual informed "consent" that never existed.

In the civilian world, medics would have been struck off, and sued for assault no doubt for this sort of practice.

For those of you about to scream the words "But Saddam had chemical weapons and was going to use them on us" .... well was he? did he ? and that makes everything ok then does it not?
 

jarrod248

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Well thank you for your honesty nobbyd, now ask yourself how much medical ethics and correct medical protocol were breached in that moment of madness that you described.

Bet you did not know the long term health effects of injecting such a reckless combination ether did you ?
Reckless i hear you say ? well you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that mixing so much vaccinations in such a short space of time can create a potency in ones body.

The individual drugs and vaccinations may have been perfectly safe by themselves .. but in never before tested cocktail form ?

Then there is the serious issue of individual informed "consent" that never existed.

In the civilian world, medics would have been struck off, and sued for assault no doubt for this sort of practice.

For those of you about to scream the words "But Saddam had chemical weapons and was going to use them on us" .... well was he? did he ? and that makes everything ok then does it not?
You're a penis.
 
#19
Nothing fat about me, and yes I had all the jabs.

I'd carry on, but I'm a bit bored with AIR FILTER. She makes my teeth itch.
 
#20
In the civilian world, medics would have been struck off, and sued for assault no doubt for this sort of practice.
Good job none of us were civvies then, and remembered "observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Succesors and of the Generals and Officers set over me"

I just found my oath certificate about an hour ago sorting the attic out, how lucky was that

Now I think about it, protocol was followed. Clean syringe and needle for each, steret the area, needle in, draw a bubble, plunge, syringe and needle into the burns bin, wipe the area, call the next forward.

Now **** off. I don't personally know of anyone with "Gulf War Syndrome", and the only one that came forward with claims, as previously noted, was outed as a bullshitter within minutes of getting his grid on the box
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Did I mention "**** off"?
 

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