New measures announced to stamp out inappropriate behaviour in the armed forces

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Much as I like Penny, it's a bit rich of her to launch a campaign to stamp out inappropriate behaviour with this particular skeleton in one's closet...

This Tory MP said the word 'c**k' as many times as she could during a Commons speech as part of a dare
Give your head a wobble. A prank that harms nobody is completely different from a someone being coerced into sending intimate pictures or doing other things.If someone is being coerced, then they are acting for fear of negative consequences.

Some people are so entitled they feel they can do anything, without consequences. As a society we seem to have gone from 'no harm no foul' to 'do what you can get away with?'

I think we might be arguing slightly different points. I completely agree with you about sexual misconduct. My issue is with Gravelbelly's assertion that you can create lethality without the blokes being c*nts to each other and society. I'm not convinced that's really true.
I once saw a programme about selection for the Paras. The point of milling is not that they want Boxers, it is to see if they can turn aggression on, and OFF, as ordered.
 

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So why all the hoo-ha, just copy them. After all they are trying to say the army is no different to bring a Civvy and seem to be working very hard to get there. Just hand over all cases to civpol to investigate.

I'm sure if the MoD want some advice from experienced parties then all they have to do is contact Labour HQ.
 
I think we might be arguing slightly different points. I completely agree with you about sexual misconduct. My issue is with Gravelbelly's assertion that you can create lethality without the blokes being c*nts to each other and society. I'm not convinced that's really true.

Ack.

Then there might be a question for both the armed forces and society. How much do we value winning, and do we value winning more than the “winners” being productive members of society? What is the acceptable ratio?
 
So why all the hoo-ha, just copy them. After all they are trying to say the army is no different to bring a Civvy and seem to be working very hard to get there. Just hand over all cases to civpol to investigate.
I think the point is that we are copying their best practice. Certainly the “proper” document I read today on it seems to reflect civilian best practice.

And for certain levels of crime, we do hand it over to civpol.
 
Give your head a wobble. A prank that harms nobody is completely different from a someone being coerced into sending intimate pictures or doing other things.If someone is being coerced, then they are acting for fear of negative consequences.

Some people are so entitled they feel they can do anything, without consequences. As a society we seem to have gone from 'no harm no foul' to 'do what you can get away with?'
Catch yourself on, shitlips. I was humorously drawing attention to the fact that she's not above inappropriate behavior herself. I said nor implied anything about intimate pictures, society or anything else.

By all means make your point(s) about those things, but don't connect them to me drawing attention to her saying "cock" in Parliament for a childish dare. Cock :)
 
If that is the genuine logic, then I fear for the future employment of anyone who possess so little brain.

I'd, again, note that isn't the logic displayed. It is mainly intelligent men wishing a level of power and coersive control over an individual. Very rarely are "thickos" doing this kind of stuff.
You're having a laugh, old son. The thickos, by and large, were the ones doing this kind of stuff, and, alas were in charge in my Corps.

You've just got to love the blatant hypocrisy of the greasy pole "management" classes, especially the ones with rings/pips.
 

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I think the point is that we are copying their best practice. Certainly the “proper” document I read today on it seems to reflect civilian best practice.

And for certain levels of crime, we do hand it over to civpol.
But does it take into account the fact that the AF are different to Civvy Street? indeed have their own set of laws. If some civvys had set up a range with J Corbyn targets and fired at him with paintballs would that be an issue splashed over the papers (I suspect this incident is very close to this paper). If not then why not treat our guys like the civvies the system seems to want - just leave them alone. If that is not the case then maybe it is the Head Shed that needs a shake.

I suspect I know how you will come back so I will leave this conversation for now with this comment.

I am with you on this and I expect the vast number of Arrse members are as are members of the AF. Just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
But does it take into account the fact that the AF are different to Civvy Street? .
What is so different that some think it’s acceptable and funny to use a constant and repetitive torrent of sexually explicit words and comments around females, and when said females ask them to stop using ‘c***’ and ‘t***’ in particular around them, proceed to publically humiliate them and ramp it up?
Supposedly mature men in their 40’s acting like pubescent schoolboys who’ve just discovered the c word isn’t a good look, and can and does make women leave - which only seems to convince these dinosaurs they were right, they are proper ‘lads’ and women are indeed weak.

And it isn’t just Service personnel that are involved, some of the most blatant and vicious misogynistic behaviour I’ve witnessed has been MoD CS ‘managers’ towards female MoD CS and service personnel.
 

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Whoever put this paper together does not understand psychology very well. Filling it with achingly politically correct posed pictures that generally exclude white male soldiers is not going to endear it to its presumed target audience.
 
And how is the female supposed to trust the male in that little scenario? Just because he's a hoofing bloke?
Well, can be a straight transactional relationship?

This woman got burnt by a bloke sharing her nudes, now works to raise awareness of revenge porn and recently sold off her nudes to raise the money to get to Defcon.

Why This Revenge Porn Activist Is Selling Nudes to Get to DEF CON

I believe they advise watermarking the nudes, so at least if they are leaked (rather than leaked on) people know who shared them inappropriately.
 

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Defence Secretary Penny Mordaunt has today announced a range of new measures to address inappropriate behaviour in the armed forces.
From the person who stood up in the Commons and with prior thought and planning set out to say the word "cock" as many times as she could before getting caught out, all for a bet with some of her fellow RNRs...?

Irony - also available in coppery, brassy and titaniumy.
 
As an aside, I'd note that the single biggest cause of Service Complaints remains OJARs/SJARs. And they are not hard to get right...
 
It had to happen sooner or later.
The social background to all this being - The Labour Party are up to their arses in Anti Sematism accusations and enquiries, The Tories are all over the place with Islamophobia and a possible vote of no confidence in the wings and everyone is thinking of legacies!
So being cynical as usual Could this be a kick/slap from Rt Hon Penny M MP to establish her credentials as a caring sharing Pride marching equality girl.
I think most realistic and honest people agree that the Armed forces did need a shake up, this is not to similar to the Met Police and their institutional racism accusation.
Just watch the pressure build on this and we will have a Czar appointed within the month!
 
As an aside, I'd note that the single biggest cause of Service Complaints remains OJARs/SJARs. And they are not hard to get right...
They're not. It's very hard, though, for the recipient to accept the truth.

Incidentally, it's interesting as to why the MoD still persist with this expensive, archaic, hierarchical complaints system. Much cheaper, following a brief review, to let the complainant go to ET. Much more effective, and adopts this civilian 'best practice' that you seem so keen upon.
 
It had to happen sooner or later.
The social background to all this being - The Labour Party are up to their arses in Anti Sematism accusations and enquiries, The Tories are all over the place with Islamophobia and a possible vote of no confidence in the wings and everyone is thinking of legacies!
So being cynical as usual Could this be a kick/slap from Rt Hon Penny M MP to establish her credentials as a caring sharing Pride marching equality girl.
I think most realistic and honest people agree that the Armed forces did need a shake up, this is not to similar to the Met Police and their institutional racism accusation.
Just watch the pressure build on this and we will have a Czar appointed within the month!
Didn't know the Russians were about to become involved - complex issue, for sure.
 

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I think we might be arguing slightly different points. I completely agree with you about sexual misconduct. My issue is with Gravelbelly's assertion that you can create lethality without the blokes being c*nts to each other and society. I'm not convinced that's really true.
On the bullying front, where there's a rank discrepancy, it needs to be gripped early and ruthlessly. Within a peer group, however, the people we need at the sharp end have to be able to sort that out themselves and the touchy feely brigade need to understand and accept that if we're to avoid serious resilience issues.
 
On the bullying front, where there's a rank discrepancy, it needs to be gripped early and ruthlessly. Within a peer group, however, the people we need at the sharp end have to be able to sort that out themselves and the touchy feely brigade need to understand and accept that if we're to avoid serious resilience issues.
The Services depend heavily on the group and acts at the speed of the weakest link. I suspect the resilience issue is already at work and will be a growing problem, but is masked. In peacetime, its more important to look diversity aware and encourage individuality than worry about wars that will never happen (cough).
 
New measures announced to stamp out inappropriate behaviour in the armed forces
One of the new measures

In addition to the report, I want to ensure non-commissioned officers are able to address poor behaviour when they see it. They are the moral compass of the Armed Forces.
It appears that the forces have now gone full circle.

From about the mid 90's, this was the cause of many, many calls of abuse & bullying, most of which were a bag of sh!te and nothing more than a snowflake with hurt feelings after being gripped for behaviour that warranted being gripped for.
 

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