New London bombers foiled.....

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  1. A bunch of would-be mass murderers seem to have been prevented from carrying out at least eight suicide or remote-initiated bombs in London - let me remind you that 51 innocent people of all races and religions died on July 7 2005 and almost a thousand were injured, many maimed for life..

    Read -

    Three terrorist plotters led a plan to set off eight suicide bombs which could have been bigger than the July 7 London attacks, a court heard today.

    Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid and Ashik Ali, both 27, are accused of being "central figures" in the extremist plot, jurors at Woolwich Crown Court were told.

    Prosecutor Brian Altman QC said: "The police successfully disrupted a plan to commit an act or acts of terrorism on a scale potentially greater than the London bombings in July 2005 had it been allowed to run its course.

    NO IMAGE - (L-R) Irfan Naseer, Irfan Khalid and Ashik Ali

    "The defendants were proposing to detonate up to eight rucksack bombs in a suicide attack and/or to detonate bombs on timers in crowded areas in order to cause mass deaths and casualties."

    All the men are accused of engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorist acts, which they deny.

    Naseer is accused of five counts of the offence, Khalid four and Ali three, all between Christmas Day 2010 and September 19 2011.

    For Nasser, from Sparkhill, Khalid, from Sparkbrook, and Ali, from Balsall Heath, all in Birmingham, this is alleged to have included planning a bombing campaign, collecting money for terrorism and recruiting others for terrorism.

    Nasser and Khalid are also accused of travelling to Pakistan for training in terrorism, and it is alleged
    that Naseer also helped others to travel to the country for the same purpose.

    It is alleged that, while in Pakistan, Naseer and Khalid received training in how to use weapons and how to make bombs and poisons, and made suicide videos while they were there.

    They returned to the UK in July 2011, and it is claimed the group then began trying to make home-made
    bombs, using a flat in Sparkbrook as their base.

    In total, 11 men of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin were arrested over the alleged plot, and one woman.

    Mr Altman told the jury that the three defendants were "central figures" in the plan, and that they are "jihadists".

    He called the trio "senior members of a home-grown terror cell".

    Naseer has a degree in pharmacy and it is alleged that this knowledge helped the plotters to try to make explosives.

    Mr Altman said: "It was Naseer's knowledge of chemistry, together with his training as a terrorist in Pakistan, that allowed the defendants to experiment in preparing an explosive mixture with a view to constructing a home-made explosive device."

    The group are also accused of making bogus charity collections in Birmingham for Muslim Aid as well as a local Muslim centre. But the two causes received only a fraction of the money they had collected, prosecutors say, while the rest was intended to fund the attack plan.

    Mr Altman said they were "despicably stealing money from their own community donated to charity".

    It is alleged that the group sent four other local men to Pakistan to receive terrorist training - Naweed Ali, 25, and Ishaaq Hussain, Khobaib Hussain and Shahid Khan, all 20.

    They are also accused of persuading another two to take part in their plot rather than fighting abroad - Mohammed Rizwan, 33, and Bahader Ali, 29.

    Prosecutors claim that Rahin Ahmed, 26, was used as their financier but made a series of bad investments and lost a chunk of their money, and added that Mujahid Hussain, 21, was involved in fundraising.

    The court heard that Naseer was recorded saying the July 7 attackers did not do a good enough job because they did not use nail bombs.

    Mr Altman said: "Naseer was recorded agreeing with Mohammed Rizwan that July 7 had gone a bit wrong, really that the London bombers had not done more damage because they had failed to put nails on or in their bombs.

    "They hadn't done it well enough by not attaching shrapnel to the bombs that they exploded in London on that fatal day in 2005."

    It would be nice to think that if they were found guilty - and we have to assume that they are totally innocent of all charges until proven guilty - that they could be taken immediately from the court and hanged outside on a convenient row of lamp-posts, but that prolly won't happen.

    tac
     
  2. I presume that this was sorted out by MI5/MI6 together with whatever Special Branch call themselves these days.

    Nice to see that some public money is used wisely by organisations that seem to care about their remit.

    Nice one spooks.
     
  3. Thank you for reminding me, I completely forgot. Whilst you are at it, when is my birthday?
     
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  4. Last Friday mate. You couldnt be found so we spent the Birthday cash on our own drink problems :p
     
  5. Bastards.
     
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  6. I'm well out of date now but a few years ago, there was stuff going on all the time. Seemed like every month there was a new big plot or intel coming out. Which contrasted with the blase attitude of the public if it's not in the press it's not happening.
    Hard call to make with opsec and scaring the public into islamaphobia
     
  7. Unfortunately, it's the old 'we have to be lucky all the time, they only have to be lucky once' syndrome.

    Regardless, well done to all the spooks, plod and slipper wearing, cigar smoking SB Officers.

    PS: Who thinks it's probably about time that the Death Penalty was re-introduced? Just for Treason as a starter. 'Shot at dawn at The Tower of London by a hand picked squad of Scots Guards finest' (read: only sober ones they could find) has a certain ring to it.
     
  8. I suspect that half the would be extremists are probably on the spook payroll. Still good catch. As for the death penalty, giving the government the power to execute people gives them the power to execute you and more importantly, me. So that would be a no.
     
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  9. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

    I allways wonder where they put them, one of the by products of the relaxing of pira prison conditions was they got to interact with druggies and gangsters setting up a nice little trading and training organisation. usefull for when they got out
     
  10. Never mind lamp posts. Part of the punishment could take place on a pig farm.
     
  11. udipur

    udipur LE Book Reviewer

    I know, that was after we decided that starving themselves to death, covering the walls of their cells in poo and wearing nowt but blankets should be discouraged.

    We don't get everything right.
     
  12. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

    true it used to be used as a punishment for terrorists being buried in a pig skin etc.. when they say 'its offensive to our religion' we can counter with 'and blowing your selves up is offensive to ours. nobody want to see these guys in paradise so wind your necks in' :)

    jail them and feed them nothing but bacon sarnies
     
  13. Can not have a pork chop once a week as a treat?
     
  14. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

    feed them enough beer and they will tear your arm off for some pork scratchings :)
     
  15. What's that then..??..Buddist/shinto/ Zoroastrian/Yiddish blokes carrying bombs..??