New Labour Leadership

I feel Sir Kneel a Lot's strategy is just by 2024 GE the Cons will have been in power for 14 years one way and the other so it's about time the pendulum, in our two party system, will swing back to Labour and the GE will just fall into his lap? Dream on unless BoJo has a major slip on the banana skin.

The first election that Labour might be in with a chance will be 2029.
 
The factor behind Sir KS not doing well is Momentum who have undermined everything that he has tried. In trying to please everyone KS pleased no-one.
My brother is a full on Momentum Frother, JC 2.0 is the real Jesus Christ (less the Jewish bit) etc.

We are friends on Facebook and I get on very well with him, politics aside. Not a day goes by without him posting something about setting up a new and pure (Socialist) Labour Party and the latest one is refusing to campaign for CLPs until Jez is reinstated. These new parties always contain the word “democratic” for some as yet undetermined reason.

When I pointed out that shooting yourself in both feet with one bullet by refusing to back the opposition to their hated Tories wasn’t very clever, the wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst his Facebook clan was a joy to behold.
 
My brother is a full on Momentum Frother, JC 2.0 is the real Jesus Christ (less the Jewish bit) etc.

We are friends on Facebook and I get on very well with him, politics aside. Not a day goes by without him posting something about setting up a new and pure (Socialist) Labour Party and the latest one is refusing to campaign for CLPs until Jez is reinstated. These new parties always contain the word “democratic” for some as yet undetermined reason.

When I pointed out that shooting yourself in both feet with one bullet by refusing to back the opposition to their hated Tories wasn’t very clever, the wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst his Facebook clan was a joy to behold.

You should tell him it's a good idea, after all real Socialism has never been tried, anything to split the mong chop vote...
 
That and the fact that Magic Grandpa, Dianne Fatbot, and that other bunch of commies in the Labour Party tried everything possible to stop Brexit made them unelectable for the next 20 years or so. I will never ever vote Labour again, they should give up the ghost just now as it's only going to go downhill from here (unless the cons seriously mess up).

The irony being Magic Grandpa was a lifelong Brexiter, until the Tories allowed an EU referendum, showing devoted followers his straight forward honest politics
 

philc

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The first election that Labour might be in with a chance will be 2029.

Boundaries changes, plus huge majority 2034/5 is the earliest, which is incredible. Merkel has been head of her party 16 yrs I think, no reason this present Tory Admin can’t do the same, Labour are toast.

The red wall, middle income earners moving on to estates with jobs in supervisory level and mortgages, nice cars and 2 holidays abroad are the key.
 
Step forward Barry Gardiner and prepare for ridicule!

FOC, etc, etc...
ow they are in thrall to public sector middle management, academics, students, doleys, the Bangladeshi and Pakistani vote in London, the Midlands, the North West and West Yorkshire, radical environmentalists and a minority of the LBGTQ+ community.

The thing is - and they'll get this eventually - these groups are neither as homogenous nor as stupid as they like to think; in terms of academics, students and the Midlands, I encountered people who were all unanimous in their view that they were not - for the first time in their life - going to vote Labour as they usually did because this would be a vote effectively condoning one or more of antisemitism; pro-PIRA/Hezbollah/Hamas/Iran/Russia attitudes; hardline socialism; suppression of freedom of speech dressed up as prevention of hate speech; belittling women through the party’s views on transgender issues, or a deep loathing of the United Kingdom.

If you look at the Midlands and voting, places like Walsall, West Bromwich and Wolverhampton saw notable increases in the Conservative vote (not always bringing about a Tory MP but certainly frightening Labour); in Walsall North, David Winnick - who benefitted from being regarded as a good MP rather than from his party affiliation to some extent - was unceremoniously despatched in 2017.

Labour appeared to have assumed that losing by 2500 votes in 2017 was a sign that some thick Black Country oafs hadn't realised that Jeremy had won stage one of the argument and that they'd get the seat back whenever the next election was - the Tories, having picked a local man as their candidate (Eddie Hughes) saw their majority go up to just under 12,000 in 2019 And whatever Labour might have said, in that seat, 'Brexit' was beaten by 'Corbyn is an utter tosser' as the driver for previously Labour voters to happily support the 'local lad'.
 
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Whatever the region/constituency, the next election, will NOT now have the BREXIT party - as in the last election - diluting/emasculating voter swings to the Conservatives, which would -otherwise- have resulted in an even bigger parliamentary majority for the Conservatives, in this present Parliament.
 
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Labour used to understand this so well; now they are in thrall to public sector middle management, academics, students, doleys, the Bangladeshi and Pakistani vote in London, the Midlands, the North West and West Yorkshire, radical environmentalists and a minority of the LBGTQ+ community. These assorted factions do not a political party make.
An Islamic party could shaft Labour even more, cannot see how they can play Islam and LGBTWXYZ as bed fellows, something will give, like the Birmingham school conflict?
 
An Islamic party could shaft Labour even more, cannot see how they can play Islam and LGBTWXYZ as bed fellows, something will give, like the Birmingham school conflict?

Perhaps Starmer could suggest each city could hold Pride on top of a tall building, and keep both sides happy?

For the win he could send Owen Jones to represent the Labour Party to the inaugural Islamic LGBTWXYZ Pride on a tall building
 

Hairy-boab

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Boundaries changes, plus huge majority 2034/5 is the earliest, which is incredible. Merkel has been head of her party 16 yrs I think, no reason this present Tory Admin can’t do the same, Labour are toast.

The red wall, middle income earners moving on to estates with jobs in supervisory level and mortgages, nice cars and 2 holidays abroad are the key.
The thing that Labour, especially the left, don't understand is that most people are actually pretty content!

Even worse for Labour, they have managed to get like that off their own bat, without government 'help'.
 

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The thing that Labour, especially the left, don't understand is that most people are actually pretty content!

Even worse for Labour, they have managed to get like that off their own bat, without government 'help'.
On top of which the Armageddon that Labour (among others) predicted for Brexit just has not happened. The main worry for folk is Covid and its effects on society and Labour just have to follow the science in exactly the same way as the Tories have done. Sniping at what was done using hindsight is not going down that well, even if pushed to the full by the BBC.
 

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I feel Sir Kneel a Lot's strategy is just by 2024 GE the Cons will have been in power for 14 years one way and the other so it's about time the pendulum, in our two party system, will swing back to Labour and the GE will just fall into his lap? Dream on unless BoJo has a major slip on the banana skin.
Whilst you're right, to the general public does it feel like a single party* has been in charge for 14 years? I would contend that the Tories under Boris are seen as a new force by most, rather than a continuation from Cameron and May.








* Lib Dems, as any fule kno, don't count.
 
Even worse for Labour, they have managed to get like that off their own bat, without government 'help'.

And in so doing now join the ranks of another group despised by the Left, those who are getting increasingly pissed off by having to fund those who can’t be arsed.

Its a virtuous circle.

Which is a shame.

For the cretins obsessed with Left (lack of)thinking.
 
Boundaries changes, plus huge majority 2034/5 is the earliest, which is incredible. Merkel has been head of her party 16 yrs I think, no reason this present Tory Admin can’t do the same, Labour are toast.

The red wall, middle income earners moving on to estates with jobs in supervisory level and mortgages, nice cars and 2 holidays abroad are the key.
The status of the Red Wall is the thing that ought to make Labour types go cold with fear. If they had any self awareness that is. Because voting is a habit and last GE, many in those areas broke the Labour-voting habit for the first time in living memory.

Who's to say they'll get it back anytime soon? When the activists are identity politics loving, trans obsessed, open borders fruitcakes, why should lost voters be attracted back? And when the leader is a competent managerial type but hardly inspiring.

Hartlepool might be the most significant by-election since the early '90s ones that showed the depth of anti-Tory anger post-Black Wednesday. If Hartlepool goes Tory I doubt Labour will recover for a decade or more.
 
The factor behind Sir KS not doing well is Momentum who have undermined everything that he has tried. In trying to please everyone KS pleased no-one.


not surprised when he does things like this to please BLM ...

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I think this is what most sensible Brits feel about it ..

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The status of the Red Wall is the thing that ought to make Labour types go cold with fear. If they had any self awareness that is. Because voting is a habit and last GE, many in those areas broke the Labour-voting habit for the first time in living memory.

Who's to say they'll get it back anytime soon? When the activists are identity politics loving, trans obsessed, open borders fruitcakes, why should lost voters be attracted back? And when the leader is a competent managerial type but hardly inspiring.

Hartlepool might be the most significant by-election since the early '90s ones that showed the depth of anti-Tory anger post-Black Wednesday. If Hartlepool goes Tory I doubt Labour will recover for a decade or more.

To be fair to Starmer being a Gordon Brittas walt is a step up from Jezza
 
Dianne Abbot for Leader of the Labour Party and David Lammy as the Deputy Leader, the dream team for anyone who isn't a Labour supporter
Or Lammy as Leader, with Abbott as Shadow Chancellor. Popularity ratings would sink even lower than Corbyn’s, and Budget debates would be comedy gold.
 
Lefties are such lovely, caring people aren't they.....

 

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