New idea for mobilisation.

#1
How about this for a stroke of master planning and number crunching!!

New plan is to mobilise TA once in a 5 year period, great it will probably be once in 3 as before, but that is another story.

Why does the Reg Army not counter mobilise the sick, lame and lazy that are causing some of the issues with the numbers game. They could be mobilsed to civi employ to back fill the TA soldier's civi job as most of our guys are " just Driver's" as I have read.

So we could have 1 reg counter mobilised for every 3 TA soldiers, now that does seem fair. We could also counter the lack of numbers and the problems caused at Sqn level by posting those who cant be mobilised due to this, that or the other and have to stay in the UK to TA Sqn's.

Who else thinks this is utter genius??!!

I know my Star is in the post for this baby!!
 
#2
Why don't we just counter mobilise the lame and lazy into shallow graves?

You can't move for the lazy b******* when there's a good draft like Telic 1 up for grabs. Try finding the same fat useless cnuts on PT the week before though.

Rant, rant, rant etc.
 
#3
evilone.

NO NEED TO SHOUT WHEN YOU POST THE TITLE.


Thank you.
 
#4
Whilst this post is clearly steeped in irony, I like it!

The British Armed Forces exist as the nation's insurance policy. All pay drawn, rations consumed, training conducted etc is for one purpose: deploying somewhere and risking your health! Imagine phoning Admiral insurance to make a claim only to be told by the phone operator that he couldn't process it because he was a diabetic/had a glass back/his wife had depression and couldn't be relied on to look after the kids etc!

I have struggled to find any use for these wasters (who make up a significant percentage of any Unit's strength) and am willing to entertain any suggestions, no matter how far fetched!
 
#5
Maybe the Army should invest some time, rehab, education etc into making them fit again.

Yes, you can say it's down to the individual, but the employer must have some duty to assist.

Healthy choices in the cookhouse, more structured PT, intensive rehab for injury, giving them a kicking down a dark alley.

I suppose you'll tell me it happens already.
 
#6
Not able to deploy?............then stop the X Factor in their pay!!!

havn't attempted/passed your ITDs - take a pay cut!! - performance related pay!

If only.......

I like evilones way of thinking.

How about anyone going on an OpTOUR completes 6 months (unless injured/ compassionate cases) and put an end to to**ers completing just enough to qualify for a gong!
 
#7
Evening all.
how about the army grows some balls and gives out some medical discharges, insted of holding onto these people. If they have become broken as part of there service to the crown then surely the army has to stump up their pensions early and get shot.

or piss them about from dusk till dawn so they get so sick they just leave anyway! is that intimidation and bullying ? sure is but its happening and right now. Why would the army do the decent thing and pay out to get rid of the army,s downgraded masses when all it has to do to save a fortune is sit back and wait!

loose the smile sunny jim.
 
#8
Ford_Prefect said:
Whilst this post is clearly steeped in irony, I like it!
Would you believe it isn't. When I first heard this suggestion - via other means - I considered posting in "Today I Saw..." Evilone hitting 10,000 feet :wink:

Still, he's a good lad, works hard, looks after his troops and gets a round in when it's his turn.
 
#9
Ford_Prefect said:
I have struggled to find any use for these wasters (who make up a significant percentage of any Unit's strength) and am willing to entertain any suggestions, no matter how far fetched!
How about giving them continuance in the name of saving the AT trade and then letting them clogg up non 11 Regt posts thus ensuring the type of AT we want to retain can never get away from 11 Regt.
 
#10
How about giving them continuance in the name of saving the AT trade and then letting them clogg up non 11 Regt posts thus ensuring the type of AT we want to retain can never get away from 11 Regt.
You may be surprised to know that there is a wider Corps and a wider Army. Its not ALL about 11 EOD Regt RLC!
 
#11
BusterBloodVessel said:
You may be surprised to know that there is a wider Corps and a wider Army. Its not ALL about 11 EOD Regt RLC!
The AT/ATO trade is now about 11 EOD Regt and to a small extent ASofA. The Depots and forward storage sites went with the "Cold War" and thus a huge slice of our work.

When ASofA increase the number of AT courses PANTO is at a loss of where to employ all the BAT's who pass out. 11 Regt SAT reckons he can gainfully employ them. "B-ll-x" I say, the Regt can not employ them so that they build on their new found qualifications. They will be miss employed and gain no experience.

Longtown is civilianized apart from one post and if Kineton could get away with it I am sure it would follow suit.

If you think that within the AT/ATO trade that there are wider issues then I am afraid you are dreaming. The big issue will be the outcome of debates between PANTO and CO 11 Regt regarding FAS. Should there be another Regt set up or should 11 Regt get all the FAS posts? One thing is for sure and that is if we continue in the direction we have been forced to go in the last 10 years then there will only be EOD left for us to do.
 
#12
I think you are missing my point. The premise for the thread was essentially how to deal with the increasing burden of overstretch and under resourcing which is exaserbated by glass backed individuals who don't want / get out out of deploying, coupled with the almost complete exhaustion (in part due to regulation, in part due to retention) of the TA reserve. This is clearly a Corps wide problem and whilst I appreciate it is more acute in certain pinch point trades to continually refer everything to the AT world with extended diatribes against PANTO / SATO etc boarders on being rude. It is frankly starting to bore me, surely this is why there are AT specific threads!
 
#13
Well said BBV.

Can all the boring AT cnuts start using the AT specific thread so as not to annoy the rest of the Corps any more than you already do.

Ta very much like.
 
#14
General Melchett said:
Maybe the Army should invest some time, rehab, education etc into making them fit again.

Yes, you can say it's down to the individual, but the employer must have some duty to assist.

Healthy choices in the cookhouse, more structured PT, intensive rehab for injury.
spot on! A sensible idea!

I was injured way back in 2000, caused by faulty army equipment. I have had to fight for over 5 years to get an operation that will allow me to walk without the risk of dislocating something. During that 5 year period I have been treated as though I injured myself on purpose and that Im some lazy layabout leper because I have been permanently downgraded.

Well wake up and smell the coffee people, its the armys fault, you broke me so you either fix me and return me to full duties, or accept liability and cough up and give me a med discharge! The popular phrase at the moment is "you need to lose weight and look more soldier like". Well for those people, the stark truth is it doesnt matter if Im 8 or 18 stone, it isnt going to make me run any faster or be a better soldier because i have got a shagged knee! And the reason im 18 stone instead of 8 is because of that and not because I have shares in Ginsters Pies! There are those people who have never been injured, smoke 40 a day, drink 10 pints a night, have an account at domino pizza and still do a 8 min BPFA who make the snyde remarks.

There is an Adjutant Generals Directive (and DCI 120/00) on promotion and career management of medically downgraded personnel which time and time again is being blatantly flouted and ignored (any one wants a link to it on AG's website PM me). I am now being held up for promotion because i am not fit enough to pass a career course, i have had one go at it and would have as many goes as it takes, but now the powers that be wont let me until I wake up one morning miraculously healed and fully fit, so where is the fairness in that?

I had my operation three weeks ago, i wont know if its been successful for another 12 months and then, i might be allowed to go to headley court and possibly by 2007 i will be fit enough to attend the course. so a (optomistic) 2 year hold up to get promoted for the sake of a three week course? I think somebody is just hoping i will get pissed off and sign off - not a chance!

During my 5 years of being an outcast leper, i have been on operational tours OTX's and FTX's! So if anyone thinks i havent been pulling my weight and not earning my pay then bring it on! Anyone else who comments on me being unfit, overweight etc, or makes adverse comments on my CR will get taken to court irrespective of rank or status, Im that pissed off with it. And if you dont like it what you going to do, not promote me????? oh thats already happening.
 
#15
If someone is 18 stone it must be their fault.

I'm not a Doctor, but from reading food packets it states that average daily calorie intake for men should be 2000 to 2500. Which would indicate that if you exceed this and don't burn it off you may put weight on.

Eat loads (and do no PT for whatever reason) get fat.

Drink loads (and do no PT for whatever reason) get fat.

I was told of a case about one soldier being so "large" he couldn't move properly whilst wearing protective equipment. I think he failed the course he was on, which is a fair point.
 
#16
I think someone may of taken the nip with this thread!!

My Lord may I point out that if ingested properly this was soley aimed at the type of modern forces types who for some odd reason, think they should never have to go to WAR as they joined the forces because there were limited other options to them. Or the batch who may well be broken by the forces but let be honest, 1 in 10 may well be really hurt the rest are bluffin'

Yes it should be an emotive subject but the idea of re-deploying these people who cant be sent to a UK based job with a TA regt to share knowlege etc surley that would help both causes!!!!!

It would solve the manning issues we have, the lack of varied and interesting jobs that a 9 month rear party would provide.
 
#17
Evilone, dont take heart, its a good topic and im sure will generate plenty of debate, and I agree that there are a lot of bluffers, just look at sick parade on a pt morning.

According to AG's PULHEEMS policy letter and DCI 120/00 courses have to be designed to accomodate downgraded personnel unless theres a specific operational reason, which then has to be approved by DI Trg Pol (A). If that course can not be changed then personnel should be allowed to continue in their career without doing it and subsequently not expect to carry out that particular function.

How much hot water would some one be in for holding up a persons career just because they were pregnant? I wouldnt like to hazard a guess.

Lets face it no one is expecting P coy or SF selection to be changed to allow med downgraded personnel to attend. However MPC and MPC(A) have acted on this and now there is no minimum PES to attend.

This whole situation wouldnt exist if injuries were treated and acted on in good time or if treatment wasnt deemed suitable, then medical discharge would be more readily offered.

I was reliably informed that approx 35% of my trade are downgraded, the majority being experienced SNCO's. If they were all suddenly discharged then the trade would be in the shit. On the flip side, if they were all fixed ASAP then it would take the strain off the rest.

On the calories, I consider myself an expert on this area as i have tried everything going. Different people have different metabolisms, some have hollow legs and others like myself need more anaerobic exercise than normal or some powerful drugs to stay trim, which just isnt possible at the moment. I dont think size is the issue as there are more portly people than myself in my trade including a great "bear" of a man who progressed through the ranks no problem at all. As such I now consider him as a role model and good example to follow.

I too attended a course which involved the use of protective equipment, however I failed due to my own technical ability and raised concerns over my air usage. I wish I had failed due to my physical limitations then I would have had more ammunition when I attended the med board. As such if I ever attend the course again, I will make sure that I am fitter and slimmer, just in case any of the instructors are predjudiced. However £250K payout and £500 monthly income is the more appealing option at the moment.
 
#18
I agree with all of the above, we need to as "ONE ARMY" look at why we cant sustain areas of our own trades etc.
We have the soldiers and Officers for what ever reason cant be sent overseas, so post them to a local TA unit to assist and pass on the Reg knowledge they have. It would them free up others to go and fil jobs in the sand pit.
 
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