New ID Cards = Nazi Police State?

#1
Just think about this:

"The Nazi Police State was to ensure that everybody did as they were told - or paid the price. The Nazi Police were controlled by Heinrich Himmler and his feared secret police - the Gestapo - did as it pleased in Nazi Germany. Children’s loyalty could be developed with a policy of indoctrination via education and the Hitler Youth movement."

Indoctrination via education eh? The Gaystapo? Well if these new ID cards come in to play it wont be long until we have policeman in dark suits barking 'PAPERS PLEASE!!'.

Bye bye freedom........'were taking away your freedom to protect you!!!'..........

This will be Labour supporters in a few years.... :(

 
#2
Blunket seems quite into his this line of policymaking.... have a gander at the Blunketts Policy-O-Matic thread and you'll understand what I'm on about.

The problem arises that if you consider the crime levels in France and the recent Terrorist actions in Spain it proves that these two countries that are socio-economically similar to ourselves both have an irrelevant and ineffective ID card scheme.

The rate we're going at the bloody terrorists are winning.... all of these countermeasures are disrupting the publics everyday lives hence they've won. Bloody Neue Arbeit NASDAP eejits.
 
#3
I'd also like to point out we dont have the Hitler Youth movement, we have the 'PC movement' for controlling adults. Yes, you have the freedom to think when the government tells you its okay!

I'd be laughing if I wasn't so serious 8O
 
#5
For once I don't see what the fuss is about. In the military we've had to carry ID for years. I've seen it in the States were they ask for ID for credit card transactions, bar service, etc.

I think we're been sold a pup when LairBore say that it will be useful against terrorism, but I can see all sorts of other area where it will be useful.
 

Zofo

Old-Salt
#6
We use them in Spain (even though we now don't have to) and they are just a normal part of life. We have a finger print but not the retina malarky and it's used for travel (instead of a passport) and with credit card transactions. Nothing sinister here.
What the Govt. in UK plans to do with it is another matter.
 
#7
Zofo said:
We use them in Spain (even though we now don't have to) and they are just a normal part of life. We have a finger print but not the retina malarky and it's used for travel (instead of a passport) and with credit card transactions. Nothing sinister here.
What the Govt. in UK plans to do with it is another matter.
Again Blunkett thinks of ID cards are a fix all solution to crime, benefit fraud, terrorism etc etc...

On a terrorism front they hardly helped in stopping the Madrid bombings et al ?

If it ain't broke don't fix it, we've managed to get by without them since WW2 so why implement the blighters now. Big Brother watches enough with information sharing here there and everywhere plus databases for this that and the other why have a bloody ID card system.

They know enough about our everyday lives as it is.
 
#8
Greg S said:
Well if these new ID cards come in to play it wont be long until we have policeman in dark suits barking 'PAPERS PLEASE!!'.

Bye bye freedom........'were taking away your freedom to protect you!!!'..........
Oh, it's better than that.
Speeding? Checks car reg on cctv, notifies Swansea to deduct three penalty points from owner and reissue new licence at £(fill in the blank) amount.
Notify bank to deposit £60 speeding fine and new licence fee in Robber Browns account.
Notify insurance company to up insurance cover next time around.
Notify the inland revenue to decrease tax allowance by 10 point per mile over the limit.
Notify the NHS service that if owner has an accident in the future requiring hospital treatment, they should go to the back of the queue and not be put on a waiting list.

Finally, notify the owner of the steps taken to keep britain a safer place for everyone to live and work in. Nothing to do with revenue opportunities or reduction of waiting lists you understand.

Wrong person? Not possible! Our technology is american, world beating, unique, incorruptable, and certificated by the Home Office. If you wish to dispute this - please hire a lawyer.

Blunkett is to Civil Liberties what Bliar is to truth.
 
#9
it is not the ID card they are concerned with but the fact they have a data base of peoples info they can then use that is the issue. Labour are nothing more thatn socialist ******* who want power, remember stalin......
 
#10
My credit card has a picture of me on the back.

Immigrants here and I include myself must, with out any exceptions go through immigration control.

1. Goto Immigration. wait 6 months to be cleared
2. Find a job, get a job
3. Goto Tax office to get 'Fodselnr' .(NI Number type of thing)
4. Goto bank open account, first question "have you fodelsnr?"answer "no" ,bank"feck off"
You can not do anything financialy here unless you have this number.(legally any way)

Immigration here is quite tight for 'illegal' immigrants, but obviously some slip through the net.

Your drivers licence has a picture of you on it, wheres the difference.
Why not make the passport Creditcard size and carry that everywhere, you never know when you might have to do a runner :)
Whats to be afraid of, scared of being you. If youve got nothing to hide wheres the problem.

Bliar said:
It will combat terrorism
What a piece of crap
 
#11
SKJOLD said:
My credit card has a picture of me on the back.

Immigrants here and I include myself must, with out any exceptions go through immigration control.

1. Goto Immigration. wait 6 months to be cleared
2. Find a job, get a job
3. Goto Tax office to get 'Fodselnr' .(NI Number type of thing)
4. Goto bank open account, first question "have you fodelsnr?"answer "no" ,bank"feck off"
You can not do anything financialy here unless you have this number.(legally any way)

Immigration here is quite tight for 'illegal' immigrants, but obviously some slip through the net.

Your drivers licence has a picture of you on it, wheres the difference.
Why not make the passport Creditcard size and carry that everywhere, you never know when you might have to do a runner :)
Whats to be afraid of, scared of being you. If youve got nothing to hide wheres the problem.

Bliar said:
It will combat terrorism
What a piece of crap
What concerns people is the misuse of power/information. If normal folks acted like our politicians we'd all be in jail for fraud...
 
#12
Have to agree with the first poster.....

if this would actually really inconvenience terrorists and make UK more secure it might then be worth it.... as it is it will do nothing but bugger about Mr or Mrs Average and increase government control and influence over the population.

Bad idea and the first step on a very slippery slope....
 
#13
SKJOLD said:
My credit card has a picture of me on the back.

Whats to be afraid of, scared of being you. If youve got nothing to hide wheres the problem.
If you've done nothing wrong - why do you need an ID card? Innocent until proven guilty used to be a watchword in England - not any more.
The government should concentrate on applying the laws they already have. Not making life more difficult and expensive for the vast majority.
The major banks, insurance companies, computer suppliers etc must be salivating over the prospect.
 
#14
OK, maybe I have a fairly blinkered view of all of this and as a decent law abiding citizen i fail to see where "misuse of information" comes into it so with out resorting to sentences like"Why the feck cant you see the truth you narrow minded knoob" please leave the sarcasm somewhere else.
I dont see the problem, with the 1001 checks banks,firms and other companies make about you why not a visual one as well.

SK
 
#15
As for inconvenience, whats more inconvenient than to have some one pretend to be you and rip you off.

SK
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#17
Zofo said:
We use them in Spain (even though we now don't have to)
......
Yet......

Zofo said:
......and they are just a normal part of life. We have a finger print but not the retina malarky and it's used for travel (instead of a passport) and with credit card transactions.
......
In the UK we generally don't (yet,) need official sanction to travel from one part of the country to another.
If we wish to travel to another country we use a passport.
Why should we have two documents to do the same thing ?

Zofo said:
......
Nothing sinister here.
What the Govt. in UK plans to do with it is another matter.
I never had any problems with any authorities in Spain, nor did I find anything particularly sinister there - excepting some of the local version of sanitation but I can live with that. :D

But as you say Zofo, what the loonies running the UK plan to do with this system is another matter......

But buggrit, I'm long gone !
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#18
Capt Cheeky said:
Again Blunkett thinks of ID cards are a fix all solution to crime, benefit fraud, terrorism etc etc...

On a terrorism front they hardly helped in stopping the Madrid bombings et al ?

If it ain't broke don't fix it, we've managed to get by without them since WW2 so why implement the blighters now. Big Brother watches enough with information sharing here there and everywhere plus databases for this that and the other why have a bloody ID card system.

They know enough about our everyday lives as it is.
As I noted, we use the cards for travel and buying stuff. All Spanish and foreign nationals with the right to abode carry one. As regards to terror and 11 M, you are right, nothing stopped the attacks - the attackers (like sleeper terror units anywhere) were already present in the country. They were well known is certain areas and the ID card (if they were carrying them) did not work. They do work for all social areas which is why I think they're good kit. For UK I don't know, I don't live there any more (thank feck!) I also agree that the govt is trying to get too many fingers in too many pies and come next year I will be doing my bit to ensure that "class war" is carried to those who insist it exists.
 
#19
Hmm....yes, this 'class war' situation the government is trying to stir up smells like the Maoist revolution of China 1949-76.

Just take a gander at the quotes:

Between capitalist and communist society lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.
-- Karl Marx, "Critique of the Gotha Program"

The basic idea of Marxism-Leninism is that you must carry out revolution.
-- Mao Zedong, Talks with Mao Yüan-Hsin, 5 July 1964

It is often said and written that the main point in Marx's teachings is the class struggle; but this is not true. And from this untruth very often springs the opportunist distortion of Marxism...Those who recognize only the class struggle are not yet Marxists; they may be found to be still within the boundaries of bourgeois thinking and bourgeois politics...Only he is Marxist who extends the recognition of the class struggle to the recognition of the dictatorship of the proletariat. This is what constitutes the most profound difference between Marxists and the ordinary petty (as well as big) bourgeois.
-- V.I. Lenin, The State and Revolution
 
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#20
If these ID cards are really crucial to national security, how come they are not actually being introduced until 2008? It strikes me that they will have zero effect on crime and/or international terrorism unless combined with other wonderful police-state measures like checkpoints and random stop and search. In the absence of this all that will be achieved will be occasional catches of low-level crooks who aren't clever enough to avoid police attention.
 
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