New GSM medal clasp award for crew of HMS DARING

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And on a ship specifically built and equipped to combat airborne threats
Cut them some slack, I'm specifically built and equipped to deter ugly meisies, it doesn't mean one or two mightn't have got through.
 
The MOD does not like giving out medals or clasps, so this must have been more than routine. Also are you really saying people should not get recognition for operational roles because they are equipped for them? Or that because no actual engagement took place....

Ships had come under missile attack so the threat was real.
 
The MOD does not like giving out medals or clasps, so this must have been more than routine. Also are you really saying people should not get recognition for operational roles because they are equipped for them? Or that because no actual engagement took place....

Ships had come under missile attack so the threat was real.

. . . which opens up a whole new can of worms WRT the Cold War 'Run Silent, Run Deep' crowd.
 
Most of you are serving or ex serving and should be ashamed of yourselves for belittling the efforts of a pretty young crew. . .
Is it the boys or the girls that were pretty?
 
I was actively involved in Gulf War 1 but because we were operating outside of the scud bubble, no-one qualified for the gong. Go figure.
 
So many bitter and twisted people on here, I just signed up to have my two pennies worth. You can sit and say that any campaign medal was issued to someone for just doing their job. Almost every medal comes under that bracket if you want to look at it so negatively. The crew of Daring deserve that medal whether people here like it or not. Daring was tasked 19 times to escort merchant shipping and warships mainly through currently the most dangerous and volatile chock point in the world. During that period 3 different ships were hit with water borne IED boats and a US warship was fired upon from the Yemeni coast. Luckily the missile splashed. The crew of Daring spend more time at action stations and a high stake of alert than any ship has since the Falklands. The whole point of a destroyer is to get in the way of the threat and the High interest/escorted vessel and every member of that crew were willing to do that. Luckily everyone came out safely which listerning to some of you lot, you would like you wished they hadn’t to prove their were worthy of a bloody medal. Most of you are serving or ex serving and should be ashamed of yourselves for belittling the efforts of a pretty young crew on a ship that continuously put itself in harms way. I know it did because I was on there and in my 20 years I can assure you it felt more risky than any time I spent in the gulf 2000-2004. That’s the thing about dealing with rebels, they can be unpredictable and more dangerous than a disciplined force.
Were you crying when you typed that?
 
. . . which opens up a whole new can of worms WRT the Cold War 'Run Silent, Run Deep' crowd.
An issue which does get mentioned from time to time, and not always by dark blue types. Interestingly, former SSBN crew members get deterrent patrol pins.
 
So by most of your reckoning nobody should get any medal unless your thrown on the ground unequiped and unprepared. A type 45 is an anti air destroyer. But funny old thing then missiles aren’t designed to hit boats loaded with explosives or missiles fired from a coast line a few miles away. I was not at all upset about this post because I am aware what was achived onboard and I am happy that it’s deserved. Maybe we should start taking away peoples medals for just being in area. Maybe all the Iraq and Afghanistan medals unless you were shot at. Zero logic to half these comments.
 

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And on a ship specifically built and equipped to combat airborne threats
I don't understand your logic. We give medals to infantryman trained and equipped for close combat, we give medals to aircrew trained and equipped with modern aircraft.

So why should the crew of a warship not be afforded the same?
 
So by most of your reckoning nobody should get any medal unless your thrown on the ground unequiped and unprepared. A type 45 is an anti air destroyer. But funny old thing then missiles aren’t designed to hit boats loaded with explosives or missiles fired from a coast line a few miles away. I was not at all upset about this post because I am aware what was achived onboard and I am happy that it’s deserved. Maybe we should start taking away peoples medals for just being in area. Maybe all the Iraq and Afghanistan medals unless you were shot at. Zero logic to half these comments.
How long you been in the mob? I've probably fucked your wife
 
So by most of your reckoning nobody should get any medal unless your thrown on the ground unequiped and unprepared. A type 45 is an anti air destroyer. But funny old thing then missiles aren’t designed to hit boats loaded with explosives or missiles fired from a coast line a few miles away. I was not at all upset about this post because I am aware what was achived onboard and I am happy that it’s deserved. Maybe we should start taking away peoples medals for just being in area. Maybe all the Iraq and Afghanistan medals unless you were shot at. Zero logic to half these comments.
The Navy certainly shouldn't get any medals. They just sit on their boats and let the Army take all the risks.
 
I don't understand your logic. We give medals to infantryman trained and equipped for close combat, we give medals to aircrew trained and equipped with modern aircraft.

So why should the crew of a warship not be afforded the same?
I fully understand there was a threat but is it suspected that there was any effort to engage them, was there superior leadership, seamanship, employment of capabilities.

If yes then fair enough.... but at most a service medal
 

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I fully understand there was a threat but is it suspected that there was any effort to engage them, was there superior leadership, seamanship, employment of capabilities.
Weapons had been fired, water-borne IEDs utilised we've established that. So, for a considerable number of times the ship and crew put themselves between the threat axis and targets, in a restricted waterway. Huge deterrence effort, clearly paid off, the what if's, if a salvo of missiles or an unseen waterborne IED had been utilised are unknown, but nevertheless the ship repeatedly exposed itself to that threat and in doing so ensured UK and global shipping had safe passage. All AW platforms are formidable but they're by no means perfect.

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If yes then fair enough.... but at most a service medal
and thats pretty much what has been awarded.
 
The Fleet Commander saw fit to award his Commendation to some woman for organising a pissup:
She "organised two hugely-successful CHF ‘experience’ days which raised significant sums for charities, and delivered the high-profile annual ‘Junglie’ dinner.

Her greatest contribution, however, has been her support of the RN’s Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic organisation, acting “to great effect” as a ‘reverse’ mentor to senior officers, providing ‘council’ on the direction and focus of the Navy’s BAME organisation as well as feedback on the effectiveness of its activities."
I'm not sure what that second paragraph means, but thank christ I left HM's service before it became the social studies department of some white-tile university.
Who was this? I not long left Commando Helicopter Force (CHF). What a Fecking throbber! Never heard of any of this B.S. BAME PC bollox there. All in uniform all are the same, merit not ethnicity.
 
I meant:

1. I do not understand why some operations get campaign medals or the GSM but other do not.

2. Those who have deployed on Kipion etc may have an insight into if or not it is comparable to other things people have got medals for.

3. If a missile attack had taken place and been splashed by Daring (or any other ship) would people feel differently? Why?
No gongs for Kipion but lots of officers (at Bahrain) climbing over each other to see who can work the latest and show off in front of the command to keep their local acting rank (some were good eggs though but there did seem to be a lot more sycophants than usual in those jobs). A lot of those who had never done actual Ops (Herrick/Telic etc.) thought they were deserving of a gong! Made a lot of the guys that had done ops laugh. The only thing dodgy about Bahrain was driving and maybe if you accidentally drove in to a black flag area during the summer 'riots'.
 
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An issue which does get mentioned from time to time, and not always by dark blue types. Interestingly, former SSBN crew members get deterrent patrol pins.
Agreed. In my view Cold War submariners are more than deserving of a gong, particularly those on SSNs and SSKs.

Regards,
MM
 
Agreed. In my view Cold War submariners are more than deserving of a gong, particularly those on SSNs and SSKs.

Regards,
MM
In. See BR67 Chapter 1. A landsman lives in a house, therefore a seaman* lives IN a ship. BR67 = Admiralty Manual of Seamanship, hence all sailors (and merchant seaman and other seafarers) are referred to as seaman.

I imagine the problem would be admitting that they had frequently done things like Underwater Look, I suppose not unlike talking about certain RAF crews with interesting Cold War Exploits.

My old geezer father loaded 4.5" shells for firing at Communist positions in Malaya but did not receive a gong.
 
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