New Germany LOA Rates - WTF!!!

#3
Probably due to the strong pound and the weak Euro. And to think as late as 2010 we, as a family, were on £45 per day.
 
#6
At least the other tax priviliges out here are safe (fingers crossed)

Doubt they will try and renegotiate the SOFA in the midst of drawdown, just quite a big cut is all - those crates of weisenbier aren't free you know!
 
#7
Well I go to Germany regulaly on motorbike holidays and find it cheaper than the UK (I live in Oxfordshire).
Plus I won't tell you waht I was getting in the '70's, you'll only cry.
But then I only got one medal.
 
#8
Well I go to Germany regulaly on motorbike holidays and find it cheaper than the UK (I live in Oxfordshire).
Plus I won't tell you waht I was getting in the '70's, you'll only cry.
But then I only got one medal.
I'll make you cry. As a 2Lt I was on around a fiver a day LOA (1975) and the FFR was around DM7.40 to the Pound. Then went to NI where we lost it after 30 days.

In 1976 it was around 6 quid a day with an FFR of (IIRC) DM6.20 to the Pound. Happy days as I was single then.
 

Forastero

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#9
I'm on £38 a day (not including LSA) but then again I'm not in Germany..
 

chimera

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#9
I guess it must be tough having to live on that amount of extra cash per day on top on fuel coupons, tax free booze, tax free car, and the euro around 1.35 to the pound.

Are there food banks being set up on the patch yet?
 
#11
Sign off. That will learn em
 
#13
How it's stayed so high for so long is the surprise.

Only complete mongs who only shopped in the colonel's needed the LOA. Local shops were like lidl and aldi.
 
#14
These cries of anguish always happen when the FFR changes but aren't really justified - and no, I am not a paymonger trying to didle anyone out of their money, like the OP I am a recipient of LOA that has just apparently been "cut".

In fact it isn't a cut at all - this is a perfectly normal balancing process that aims at giving you the same amount of euros in the bank at the end of April as you got in March (well almost because April on has 30 days!). We don't profit from changes in the exchange rate and the price of milk in Aldi/Carrfour etc hasn't risen because the pound is strong or the FFR has risen. Therefore, depending on exaclty how you split your salary between overseas and UK, you should have the same local buying power next month as you hae this month. In fact, had the pound been falling rather than rising, resulting in the FFR being reduced, our LOA would have gone up to balance it out - I've presonally experienced both and have to say that I think it's fair.

My CoC was wise enough to put out a couple of very clear briefing sheets that explain exacly how it works and I am more than happy to forward them to anyone who wants to send me a pm...
 
#15
There were a lot of discrepancies between rates for those serving on large bases (eg Ramstein - with concomitant access to cheap/free facilities) and those living 'on the economy' at ISODETS. The former group, allegedly based on the spending patterns of a Cpl, were paid more. Has this been resolved?
 
#16
There were a lot of discrepancies between rates for those serving on large bases (eg Ramstein - with concomitant access to cheap/free facilities) and those living 'on the economy' at ISODETS. The former group, allegedly based on the spending patterns of a Cpl, were paid more. Has this been resolved?
Not as far as I'm aware, rate is based on rank only. There is a seperate table in the link for living out allowance, which may apply to some isolated areas.
 
#17
In a word "no" - there are still lots of anomalies regarding who gets what incuded in their basic "shopping basket" and how those of us serving overseas are remunerated (not rewarded!!!) for doing so. Recently LOA was significantly cut in real terms and with only the flimsiest of excuses that, frankly, don't hold any water at all. On the other hand, a few improvments to "the overseas package", including overnights on posting, greater advance payments, improved Disturbance Allowance and a few others have been introduced since 1st April - although they tend to favour those coming out of UK after that date rather than those already there!

My post above was not to defend the current overall LOA entitlement, in which I believe some significant anomalies still exist - it was just to point out to those who perhaps understand the "swings and roundabouts" relationship between LOA and FFR that this wasn't a cut in real terms, merely a balancing exercise that will effectively keep their end of month overseas pay stable.
 
#19
The thorny issue that is the perception of "fairness" of LOA breakdown is something that will never be resolved. The criteria used for assessment are a compromise and will never (my opinion) meet the actual needs of any family or singly. There may be a close correlation, based on lifestyle, or a wider disparity, based on particular circumstance.

Without doubt (again my opinion) some of the recent changes to the composition formula have erred on the side of favoring the MoD than the people - ex: removal of element within LOA to fund travel back to UK, replaced by GYH(O) warrants that are 1/ not so easy to use and tightly regulated 2/ a money-saver for MoD in comparison to a blanket issue of money within LOA.

As to whether LOA should exist at all; this is again a subjective issue. If LOA is intended to be a constituent part of an incentive package designed to persuade personnel to serve overseas, then the argument is easy. If it's simply intended to compensate between cost of living (local) vs cost of living (UK), then the formula for its composition is probably wrong and set at incorrect levels. ex: living in rural Westphalia is significantly cheaper than Munich suburbs or Berlin. By contrast, there are wide differences in cost of living within UK. Should there be an LOA factor for personnel assigned to more costly parts of UK - and/or a reduction in wages for those posted to cheap places?

I'm personally persuaded that LOA is a dinosaur which needs to be revised, but only as a part of a wider reform process for our military conditions of service (home and abroad) (married and single). what is beyond argument (unless you're stacker) is that there remain significant overall disadvantages to serve overseas (look at the effort made by MS to fill the NATO Establishment as an example).

I hope that the new Service Package will be more responsive to reality, and better support the Defence requirement.

I hesitate to hold my breath in anticipation though.
 
#20
Cyprus LOA has also gone down:

Last month - Daily rate £28.76 x FFR @ 1.26 = Eu 36.23 per day
This month - Daily rate £19.91 x FFR @ 1.38 = Eu 27.48 per day

Which represents a real drop of Eu 8.75 per day or 24%, so I don't buy @Scaly_Officer 's brief about the local buying power being the same. If that were true, it would have dropped to £26.25 to give me the same amount in Euros at the new FFR.

My daily rate is for OF3, accompanied with 2 kids.
 
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