New Garbage Level Vehicles

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LE
I’ve long been of the opinion that all car manufacturers build junk now. Their entire business model is geared up to make you want to lease a new car every 3 years.

Cars aren’t meant to last longer than 3 years. Once the warranty is up, it’ll suffer an expensive failure that’s probably been built into the design. People don’t want to take this risk so a new car is the only option. I’m very much a victim of this, having watched my well maintained 4 year old Merc E class with just over 50,000 on the clock shit itself massively and require 2.5 grands worth of repairs.

I don’t want to be taking this risk moving forward. It’s cheaper and less hassle for me to just get a new car every 3 years and lease or PCP it.

It’s like your phone contract. No one buys a phone thinking “I’ll get 10 years out of this ******.” You get one on an 18 month contract and then upgrade it to the latest model at which point the battery will be shagged anyway.

So as long as these cheap Chinese motors are in warranty for 3 years, I can see a market for them. I wouldn’t expect one to last more than 3 years, but I wouldn’t necessarily care.

All cars are basically fucked after 3 years. Doesn’t matter if they’re 50 grand Mercs or 8 grand Dacias. Just google VW oil pump failure or BMW flutter valve failure if you don’t believe me.

Very cheap and simple things that VW and BMW could rectify but choose not to because there is no benefit to them having cars that last more than 3 years.
Average age for cars to be scrapped in the UK is 13 years.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
In the US, the Hindenburg explosion is a major impediment to hydrogen power since it is mistaken viewed as highly flammable and likely to explode. This is reflected in highly restrictive local and federal regulations that make it difficult to build the necessary infrastructure. It is illegal, for instance, for hydrogen powered vehicles to use the bridges and tunnels going into New York City. This is why there is only a handful of hydrogen powered vehicles on the east coast - California rewrote their regulations and thus have a small but thriving hydrogen industry.
Even dafter when you consider that the hydrogen wasn't the source of power.
 

Slime

LE
Indeed. That petrol stuff is pretty benign.

Look on the bright side, petrol can’t electrocute you if it’s exposed and you touch it after a car crash.....

Some electric or hybrid cars on the other hand need careful handling :)
 
Why is it a mistake to view hydrogen as highly flammable?
Yes, it’s very flammable. What I was trying to convey is that hydrogen powered vehicles are no more dangerous than fossil fuel ones.
 
Yes, it’s very flammable. What I was trying to convey is that hydrogen powered vehicles are no more dangerous than fossil fuel ones.
Ok, I see your point, although I would contend that hydrogen is quite a bit more flammable than diesel especially, and is a lot more difficult to contain.
 
I have a dozen Renaults that are a much better van than a Sprinter and cost an awful lot less but you cannot get Renault Service to do anything useful at all.

Is the problem Renault or the Dealer ?

cause there's Car Dealers, Van Dealers & Renault Commercial dealers

if you can't find one which will look after you

There's the same van at Nissan & Vauxhall (for now)
 
Is the problem Renault or the Dealer ?

cause there's Car Dealers, Van Dealers & Renault Commercial dealers

if you can't find one which will look after you

There's the same van at Nissan & Vauxhall (for now)

Dealers
Useless wouldn't be putting it to strongly

Renault being what they are, you can only put them through the commercial dealers if the chassis number says so
LML rear wheel drives are only available in the Renault variant
Same dealers for all three manufacturers


Its actually not the end of the world, we don't service at Renault (mercedes we service at mercedes) and Ivd has a grand total of two very minor warranty issues
They are an incredibly reliable van in rwd form

On new Mercedes the pre paid service package is so cheap you wouldn't service anywhere else
We buy 150,000 miles worth of servicing with the van
Asides from tyres and brakes we know exactly what a Sprinter us going to cost us for three years and the wear items are pretty predictable
 
I was surprised how badly Sprinters rust. I couple years back, I went to a place that refurbs secondhand Ambulances and sells them on to Africa and other third world countries.

They had a yard full of 15 year old Ambulances and all the Mercs were completely rotten along the front bulkhead where the windscreen meets the bonnet.

Renaults were the showing the least amount of wear and tear.

My company ended up buying two Renaults. A further point being a new Renault Master engine costs about 1/4 of what a Sprinter engine costs, should you ever need to replace it.

Aren’t they all related anyway now? The Merc X Class is a Nissan Navara which has a Renault engine. I think the smaller A classes also have a Renault Clio engine.

at works old address, there was a mong in the unit who had a rotten c-class it where around 12 years old & needed wing, sills ect....

he had 1st shape beringo laid up in the car park, getting on to 20 years old

it was beaten to fcuk, & scrapped down to bare metal, but no rust

The X-Class is cancelled, the people who bought the V6 raved about 'em but IMHO its just a blinged up pikey wagon
 
at works old address, there was a mong in the unit who had a rotten c-class it where around 12 years old & needed wing, sills ect....

he had 1st shape beringo laid up in the car park, getting on to 20 years old

it was beaten to fcuk, & scrapped down to bare metal, but no rust

The X-Class is cancelled, the people who bought the V6 raved about 'em but IMHO its just a blinged up pikey wagon

X Class is a Nissan Navara in a posh frock for an extra 10 grand
 
Its actually not the end of the world, we don't service at Renault (mercedes we service at mercedes) and Ivd has a grand total of two very minor warranty issues

H&L ? (multi site dealer which went tits up some years ago)

I used to speak with a guy who claimed them as Merc commercial dealer used to charge more per hr than an indy but charged much less hours to do the same job!
 
Look on the bright side, petrol can’t electrocute you if it’s exposed and you touch it after a car crash.....

Some electric or hybrid cars on the other hand need careful handling :)
We have clear instructions at work, if we rock up at a RTC and a hybrid/electric vehicle is involved, it stays where it is and specialist recovery is called to lift it. We usually drag standard vehicles to the hard shoulder to reopen lanes ASAP. So if you drive past and wonder why we have a lane closure on for a car - that's the reason. ;)
 
H&L ? (multi site dealer which went tits up some years ago)

I used to speak with a guy who claimed them as Merc commercial dealer used to charge more per hr than an indy but charged much less hours to do the same job!

Merc under warranty are quite extraordinary to be fair
If they can't fix in a few hours they pay hire and guarantee to fix within three days whatever the fault and that allows for two days for parts from Germany
 

Slime

LE
We have clear instructions at work, if we rock up at a RTC and a hybrid/electric vehicle is involved, it stays where it is and specialist recovery is called to lift it. We usually drag standard vehicles to the hard shoulder to reopen lanes ASAP. So if you drive past and wonder why we have a lane closure on for a car - that's the reason. ;)

I’m very aware of that :)
I have a hybrid.


I can’t help thinking that as time goes by a lot of vehicles will be written off after the ‘after crash’ panels are pulled off and the cables are cut.

Replacing vital trunk cables must be mega expensive.
 

Slime

LE
To me cars are just cars, they never get names.

Aw - we name oura, we have:
A5; my A5 Sportback
A6; Wifey's A6 Estate
Huey; the Mk1 MX5 V special
Kenny; the T4 VW camper .... (Kenny, after Kenneth Williams, a camper man we couldn't think of!)
 
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