New Florida vote scandal feared

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

Election supervisor Ion Sancho believes some voters are being intimidated
Two e-mails, prepared for the executive director of the Bush campaign in Florida and the campaign's national research director in Washington DC, contain a 15-page so-called "caging list".

It lists 1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas of Jacksonville, Florida.

An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: "The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on election day."

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In Washington, well-known civil rights attorney, Ralph Neas, noted that US federal law prohibits targeting challenges to voters, even if there is a basis for the challenge, if race is a factor in targeting the voters.

The list of Jacksonville voters covers an area with a majority of black residents.

When asked by Newsnight for an explanation of the list, Republican spokespersons claim the list merely records returned mail from either fundraising solicitations or returned letters sent to newly registered voters to verify their addresses for purposes of mailing campaign literature.

Republican state campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher stated the list was not put together "in order to create" a challenge list, but refused to say it would not be used in that manner.

Rather, she did acknowledge that the party's poll workers will be instructed to challenge voters, "Where it's stated in the law."

There was no explanation as to why such clerical matters would be sent to top officials of the Bush campaign in Florida and Washington.

Greg Palast's film will be broadcast by Newsnight on Tuesday, 26 October, 2004.
Newsnight is broadcast on BBC Two at 2230 BST every weeknight in the UK.
To our American posters

You can view the film too http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/tvseq/newsnight/newsnight.ram

Note 22.30 is 21.30 GMT , so you can adjust yourselves accordingly.

Be interesting to hear your view.
 
#3
After November 2, the battle is sure to be continued in the courts (again) with the presidency awarded to whoever can command a 5-4 majority.

I read that, in some states, there will be poll watchers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and the United Nations.
Foreigners to monitor the integrity of American elections. Can such things be believed?

A bunch of shysters and political gangsters are rapidly converting this place into a third world country.
 
#4
lol Sandy :D

Which reminds me, that court case is coming up soon , I think.

A frigging councillor takes postal votes and goes and "counts" them in his car on a deserted trading estate (allegedly) and the Old Bill say "We can't do anything" (allegedly)

Well , we'll see what the court says.
 
#5
Just did a search and found more reports of "voter fraud" against Republicans then Democrats...and those things classified as fraud deal with throwing out registration forms and the such, more then registering 2, 3 and 4 times. Intimidation is also a word being thrown around, as if a mob of angry Republicans are standing around with bats threatening those that want to register. Nonsense.

Here is my take:
If you wait around for someone [dem, rep or some other group] to show up and register you at your house door, then you are a lazy piece of shyte and deserve what you get NO VOTE.

Yes, US Citizens have a right to vote, but we also have some personal responsibilities; get registered in a timely manner, ensure that you register properly, and register only once. The best way to register is to go to the Supervisor of Elections office and register, this is the only sure fire way to make sure they meet all the responsibilites they have as potential voters to becoming registered voters.

The cr@p being reported as "fraud" and "intimidation" doesn't meet those definitions. Instead it underlines the overwhelming lack of personal responsibilty US Citizens have and the ignorance of lazy w@nkers. I registered on my 18th birthday, since it was my right and responsibilty to do so...and I did so by carting my arrse down to the supervisor of elections office.

This is more about a redefinition of words then anything else :evil:
 
#6
Can I get an amen for Ctauch?

It's not just in America , the problem is, the lazier the electorate get, the more scope there is for fraud.

We just don't seem to have politicians that can fire the electorate anymore.

I blame the no expense spared style of electioneering.
 
#7
This is a bogus story just like the one about the missing explosives. Here is a fact, Kerry campaign is giving up in Florida due to their internal polling. This is going to be an electoral college landslide.
 
#8
Since this concerns me personally, I might as well speak up. Living in FL, and seeing all the bloody campaign ads is intimidation enough. I'm just plain sick of the ads, and the shyte being thrown around by both sides.

As for the BBC report, I chalk it up to just what it is, pure BS. I used to be dubious as to whether the mainstream news organizations were liberal or conservative, but the past month or so has removed all doubt from my mind that, with the exception of a very few stations, all mainstream news organizations lean heavily in the liberal direction, and have to work very hard to appear non-biased.

My American $.02 anyway,
Blackjack
 
#9
Blackjack,

You have nailed that on the head.

The BBC gave up any pretense of no-baised reporting before 1997, when the lovies bowed and gave their allegence to New Labour.

Since that time, they have taken upon themselves to challenge this current government whenever it did not live up to their (the Beeb/Guardian) left-wing agenda.
 
#10
if you want non-biased reporting, then go no further than the anti-Kerry stations such as CNN and Fox, i flick through them on Sky, whenever they have reps from both parties, Bushs rep get an easy ride and Kerry gets hammered by the interviewers.
A couple of days ago Sky news reported a news flash about 11 US soldiers being injured by an IED and others being killed in a mortar attack on a joint US/Iraqi camp, it took CNN and Fox another 45 mins to make the report as they were so busy bad mouthing what Kerry was saying at a rally.
and you think the BBC is biased??
As for Florida, where Bushs brother Jeb is senator, will the votes get fecked up again? of course it will, will Bush alow a recount? of course not. worked 4 years ago, itll probably work again this year.
Id rather you had Blair as your president and we had Maggie back. Blair would still be on his belly kissing boots but at least theyd belong to someone with balls and had credibility with the world.
 
#11
Filbert Fox said:
As for Florida, where Bushs brother Jeb is senator, will the votes get fecked up again? of course it will, will Bush alow a recount? of course not. worked 4 years ago, itll probably work again this year.
Id rather you had Blair as your president and we had Maggie back. Blair would still be on his belly kissing boots but at least theyd belong to someone with balls and had credibility with the world.
A) Jeb Bush is Govenor, not Senator. I'm sure that was just a simple mistake on your part.

B) Bush (Jeb nor Dubya) by Florida law can not prohibited a recount.
There are 2 types of recounts:
  • 1) A recount is automatic if the difference is 1% or less.
    2)A recount can be requested if a mechanical or other error occured during the original tabulation. The recount must be requested by a person on the ballot and made to the county's Supervisor of Elections. The recount will then be done specific to the requestors race and not every race on the ballot. Only the county supervisor of election can approve or deny a recount request.

FF, your ingnorance of the US election laws, imparticular Florida's, is truely astounding. Instead of researching the laws and getting the facts right and educating yourself, you regurgitate the left-wing nonsense of either ignorant f@ck-wits or itellectually dis-honest hacks. The mantra of "selected not elected" "appointed by the Supreme Court" is nonsense. :roll:

C) Would rather have Reagen then Blair?
 
#12
does that count as a bite?
 
#13
FF,

pot calling kettle here.

talk about biting.

your little diatribe on anti-Kerry reporting is just a tad sanctimonious.

i will support your view that Fox is pro-Bush, but CNN! get a grip. just because it doesn't fan over the walking android doesn't mean its biased, just that it is trying to report news!

Yes i think the Beeb is biased! but please, enlighten me! :roll:
 
#14
Filbert Fox said:
does that count as a bite?
No bite, just a reply to your uninformed and inaccurate post. :D :D :D
 
#15
ctauch said:
Filbert Fox said:
does that count as a bite?
No bite, just a reply to your uninformed and inaccurate post. :D :D :D
another one i do believe
 
#16
Sadly Filbert your post shows a poor grasp of the facts. CNN is a pro-democrat organizarion. During the Clinton years it was known as Clinton News Network.

The voting in Florida wont be anything like last year. The black vote and jewish vote wont be there for Kerry this time. Polling data shows 40% of the jewish vote will turn out for Bush both groups in the past have been very strong democrat supporters. Most of the polls are run by groups with strong support for the democrat party. They dont want to show the election as a blow out because they want to get their supporters out. So may polls show the race close. Hawaii seems to be leaning to Bush which is a huge blow to Kerry if it occurs. I think the race will be over by 2230 EST.
 
#17
tomahawk6 said:
The voting in Florida wont be anything like last year. The black vote and jewish vote wont be there for Kerry this time.
have they been there for him before? i thought that this was his first go at prez!!
 
#18
Filbert Fox said:
tomahawk6 said:
The voting in Florida wont be anything like last year. The black vote and jewish vote wont be there for Kerry this time.
have they been there for him before? i thought that this was his first go at prez!!
Traditionally, they have voted Democratic. Doesn't look like they will this time.

Now quit baiting, you hampton. :D
 
#19
Corporal said:
Now quit baiting, you hampton. :D
only because you asked nicely :wink:
 

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