New Fast Jets for Ireland?

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I agree, policing should be the first priority but they dont have any air defence or military radar cover, excuse the pun, but my suggestion was to be taken building from the ground up. The article will no doubt be as far as Ireland will get involved. No politician will sacrifice their own job and prioritise defence over health, education etc
Not if the Brits are providing free air policing cover for them. However Singapore is a much smaller country than ROI and has a modern air force. But it seems that they learned the lessons of 15 February 1942.
 
Perhaps the most cost effective approach would be to acquire either some second hand F16s or F18s, or a variant of the Hawk. Either that, or they could go back to using Spitfires.
The Qatar Hawks currently being built will be the last Hawks off the line. At least as far as the UK goes.
 
I know, get the EU to create it's own airforce and base a detachment somewhere on the Emerald isle. The current EU president has some experience in dealing with defence matters cuts.
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As a matter of interest NATO Integrated Air Defense System - Wikipedia they would be behind this beastie. Which sort of makes you wonder why they would bother. Like it or not they would need to link in. And despite protestations, as do the Austrians and Swiss.
If the Austrians and Swiss, similar size and populations can operate and maintain modern fighter jets I can't see why the Irish can't. Probably because they have become used to having a free ride on defence from those nasty Brits to the East.
 
They don't even do their own night fixed wing night aero-medical work, it's contracted out to a private company. Not enough pilots to fly the air corps Lears Jet, anyway the politicians need their toy to play with and don't like the idea of someone making it dirty.
That begs the question, do the Irish still have their Gulfstream, Irish Air Corps 251?.
 
If the Austrians and Swiss, similar size and populations can operate and maintain modern fighter jets I can't see why the Irish can't. Probably because they have become used to having a free ride on defence from those nasty Brits to the East.
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Why take defence seriously when the public are happy to vote out their local politician who doesn't make the right noises promising unicorns etc Its a WW2 hangover that and successive governments have indulged in to avoid stepping up
 
Not if the Brits are providing free air policing cover for them. However Singapore is a much smaller country than ROI and has a modern air force. But it seems that they learned the lessons of 15 February 1942.
Singapore has money.
 

RBMK

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That begs the question, do the Irish still have their Gulfstream, Irish Air Corps 251?.
No, it's been retired. They have a Learjet 45.

The current Irish Air Corps has:

1x Lear 45 VIP transport
2x CASA CN235 patrol aircraft
1x Britten Norman Defender (patrol)
8x Pilatos PC-12 trainers

Some wokkas.

In order to get even a single squadron capable of operating a credible QRA they would need to have:

8x fast jet trainers e.g. Hawk / M345 or similar
16x fast jets, 4 of which would need to be 2 seat trainer variants if available.
This would allow for 6 in maintenance, 2x QRA, 2 standby QRA & 4 available

Suitable aircraft:
Surplus F-16 / F-18 but both old technology
Typhoon / Gripen / Rafale
 
Perhaps they and Scotland could club together?
 
Why? There's nothing worth bombing from the air....
In the face of the UK withdrawal from the EU,the US demanding increased NATO spending and the good ideas club in Brussels deciding that the EU needs its own defence pact, Ireland are going to be told to pony up serious money to pay for EU defence. Why not spend on assets that will serve Ireland and all air traffic with military radar ? Likewise why not defend their air space and the EU western flank ?
 

RBMK

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Second hand jets are not always a bargain as there are issues with fatigue life, corrosion, spares for obsolete bits and the cost of upgrades.

Whilst the Canadians are using CF-18s and have also bought surplus F-18s of Australia, they will also need to upgrade thair fleet at some point. Canada cancelled their purchase of Super Hornets due to a trade dispute and the RAAF F-18s are simply a stopgap.

With a clear head, the Gripens would probably suit Ireland as they are cheaper to operate than the Typhoon or Rafale.
 

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