New Fast Jets for Ireland?

This is a bit off topic but I was having a look on Flght radar 24 in the wee small hours during lockdown and noticed an Ethiopian airlines dreamliner flying in to Dublin from the Ivory Coast and thought it very strange. Tried to book a direct flight to Ivory Coast but there are no scheduled flights either way, there was a lot of funny stuff going on during lockdown in regards to air travel.
Liverpool will be getting an influx of Ethiopian refugees methinks.
 
This is a bit off topic but I was having a look on Flght radar 24 in the wee small hours during lockdown and noticed an Ethiopian airlines dreamliner flying in to Dublin from the Ivory Coast and thought it very strange. Tried to book a direct flight to Ivory Coast but there are no scheduled flights either way, there was a lot of funny stuff going on during lockdown in regards to air travel.
Irish Ethiopians ? Say no more

 
This is a bit off topic but I was having a look on Flght radar 24 in the wee small hours during lockdown and noticed an Ethiopian airlines dreamliner flying in to Dublin from the Ivory Coast and thought it very strange. Tried to book a direct flight to Ivory Coast but there are no scheduled flights either way, there was a lot of funny stuff going on during lockdown in regards to air travel.
Planes continued flying after passenger travel stopped in order to deliver cargo. Some routes even saw an increase in air cargo,
 
A random thought occurred to me this morning: the 4 x Belgain NH90s now going spare, could the Irish Air Corps make use of them? Would the EU be willing to provide a suitable financial support package to assist with a purchase?
With all the basket cases in the EU and those waiting to join, sucking away EU funds and the 750 billion Covid bailout. ROI being a net contributer now, and expected to stump up a large chunk for the bailout, now that the EU's favourite milk cow and cash machine has left. I doubt that they will be getting any EU funds for helicopters.
 
There was a base (Fort Dunree) in Donegal occupied by the Royal Navy until October 1938 along with a couple of other ports, one IIRC in Mayo.
See post #147. That would have been one of the three 'Treaty Ports' signed in the 1922 Anglo Irish Treaty. Belfast Loch was also included as it was initialy part of the Free States territory until it opted back into the UK on 22 December 1922.

The Free State initially wanted some protection by the RN but this changed when they declared themselves a neutral country under the League of Nations (While still relying on UK protection)

This caused Dev some problems with having the Treaty Ports on Irish territory. Britain stupidly handed them back as settlement after the Anglo- Irish Trade War.
 
With all the basket cases in the EU and those waiting to join, sucking away EU funds and the 750 billion Covid bailout. ROI being a net contributer now, and expected to stump up a large chunk for the bailout, now that the EU's favourite milk cow and cash machine has left. I doubt that they will be getting any EU funds for helicopters.
All good points; however, those airframes are not going to be scrapped, probably cannot be sold to too many countries (with a few exceptions) outside of the EU and if the RoI is going to have to increase its participation in EU defence structures this is one good way of them showing willing. In terms of financing, there are all sorts of ways of doing it. The EU basically works by making threats and handing over brown envelopes. The Irish are going to have to decide how much of each they want.
 
See post #147. That would have been one of the three 'Treaty Ports' signed in the 1922 Anglo Irish Treaty. Belfast Loch was also included as it was initialy part of the Free States territory until it opted back into the UK on 22 December 1922.

The Free State initially wanted some protection by the RN but this changed when they declared themselves a neutral country under the League of Nations (While still relying on UK protection)

This caused Dev some problems with having the Treaty Ports on Irish territory. Britain stupidly handed them back as settlement after the Anglo- Irish Trade War.
The Treaty Ports were Cork, Berehaven Co.Cork and Lough Swilly Co.Donegal.

Belfast Lough was never part of the Irish Free State.

GB didn’t give the Free State a choice. They were keeping the Treaty Ports and we weren’t allowed have a navy
 

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The Treaty Ports were Cork, Berehaven Co.Cork and Lough Swilly Co.Donegal.

Belfast Lough was never part of the Irish Free State.

GB didn’t give the Free State a choice. They were keeping the Treaty Ports and we weren’t allowed have a navy
Dockyard Port at Berehaven
(a) Admiralty property and rights to be retained as at the date hereof. Harbour defences to remain in charge of British care and maintenance parties.
Queenstown
(b) Harbour defences to remain in charge of British care and maintenance parties. Certain mooring buoys to be retained for use of His Majesty's ships.
Belfast Lough
(c) Harbour defences to remain in charge of British care and maintenance parties.

Lough Swilly
(d) Harbour defences to remain in charge of British care and maintenance parties.
Aviation
(e) Facilities in the neighbourhood of the above Ports for coastal defence by air.
Oil Fuel Storage
(f) Haulbowline, Rathmullen – To be offered for sale to commercial companies under guarantee that purchasers shall maintain a certain minimum stock for Admiralty purposes.
 
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This is a bit off topic but I was having a look on Flght radar 24 in the wee small hours during lockdown and noticed an Ethiopian airlines dreamliner flying in to Dublin from the Ivory Coast and thought it very strange. Tried to book a direct flight to Ivory Coast but there are no scheduled flights either way, there was a lot of funny stuff going on during lockdown in regards to air travel.
Ethiopian have been using DUB for quite a while as a stop on the way to the US.
 

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He actually comes accross as your typical lefty snowflake cnut IMHO.
oh he is that alright, he bought right into the BBC non scientific AGW agenda so he could get his face on the box as he used to be a pop star and therefore down wiv da youf.

I've seen some of his agw debates and he is pretty pathetic.

but he has got school kids interested in science again which is good as long as it isn't faux science. when he sticks to stars and planets he's fine.
 

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Ethiopian have been using DUB for quite a while as a stop on the way to the US.
is that because sudanese refugees and economic migrants are not likely to get off?
 
A lot of what actually happened that was pro-allies was kept secret. If it had been public knowledge we could not have claimed neutral status. We weren’t a belligerent in WW2, we were publicly neutral But the reality was pro-allies.

why? to prevent another potential Civil War, considering the last one had only started 17 years previously
The weather forecast which determined the D-Day landings came from an Irish weather station.
 
This is a bit off topic but I was having a look on Flght radar 24 in the wee small hours during lockdown and noticed an Ethiopian airlines dreamliner flying in to Dublin from the Ivory Coast and thought it very strange. Tried to book a direct flight to Ivory Coast but there are no scheduled flights either way, there was a lot of funny stuff going on during lockdown in regards to air travel.
Ethiopian Airlines is actually quite a big outfit. And well-run. Although Dublin to the Cote d'Ivory is not a regular run.

As you say, a lot of unusual civil flights going on these days. Many of them are repatriation flights. I think Heathrow is getting it's fair share of strange flights, as well.
 
is that because sudanese refugees and economic migrants are not likely to get off?
I don't think either group is likely to find their way aboard an Ethiopian Airline flight. As said above, Ethiopian is a well-run outfit, and has been for a hell of a long while, even when the rest of the country was a basket-case.
 
The Treaty Ports were Cork, Berehaven Co.Cork and Lough Swilly Co.Donegal.

Belfast Lough was never part of the Irish Free State.

GB didn’t give the Free State a choice. They were keeping the Treaty Ports and we weren’t allowed have a navy
Read the Wiki link. The six counties opted out of the free state on 22/12/1922.
 
do a bit of reading. The potential size of NI, because of dithering politicians, varied between 4 and 8 counties and settled on six, as four was considered to have too small a population of Protestants. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Fermanagh and Monaghan were all considered as "in" or "out". Look what happened.
 
Prof Brian Cox was on Top Gear a good few years ago and related how he’d been filming for a new series which involved a supersonic flight in a Typhoon. Off they boomed until the pilot throttled back and made a turn to point away from the ROI so he didn’t enter their airspace. Cox asked what would happen if they entered it and the dashing RAF pilot told him that “first they’d sh!t themselves, and then send up their Cessna”. Good answer.

[Careful though. Brian Cox claims to be a professor of physics but was in a band that sang “things can only get better”. As anyone with even a simple understanding of physics will know the second law of thermodynamics means that ultimately things can only fall to bits and end up really cold, which isn’t better in my view.]
I thought it was "fall to bits and end up the same temperature as everything else in the universe" {/geek}
 
They should think outside the bogs and look further afield for a light fighter at good value. The South Korean TA-50 for example or even the Indian Tejas*


  1. MiG-35: US$45 million
  2. JF-17: US$25 million
  3. F/A-50: US$40 million
  4. J-10B: US$32 million
  5. L-15: US$16 million
  6. FTC-2000G: US$7.8 million
  7. M-346 FA: US$18 million
  8. YAK-130: US$19.5 million
  9. BAE Hawk 100: US$29 million
  10. Tejas 1A: US$ 43 million

*must keep a straight face must keep a straight face
Taking your cunning plan a step further, and also providing a timely filip to the Irish horse racing/dogfood industry.

Acrostar : fits into a horsebox in the folding wing version, can be launched on roads and only requires a support team of two Transit vans, accompanying caravans and runs on poteen.
 

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