New EU Referendum for Ireland

#1
Just mentioned on BBC
The Irish are to be given the oppurtunity to vote properly this autumn and are presented with a new referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

So much for abiding by the referendum that has already taken place.
 

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#2
"Now let's try this again; you'll vote until you get it right (unless it's a no)"
The cynic in me says.
 
#3
Sixty said:
"Now let's try this again; you'll vote until you get it right (unless it's a no)"
The cynic in me says.
Yeh, no doubt about it.
Sadly the financial car crash that is Ireland at the moment means the pro EU lobby will probably be able to convince voters they are doomed without the Lisbon Treaty.
It has been made perfectly clear that a no vote simply will not be acceptable, hence the oppurtunity for Ireland to vote appropriatley this time round.
 

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#5
jagman said:
Yeh, no doubt about it.
Sadly the financial car crash that is Ireland at the moment means the pro EU lobby will probably be able to convince voters they are doomed without the Lisbon Treaty.
It has been made perfectly clear that a no vote simply will not be acceptable, hence the oppurtunity for Ireland to vote appropriatley this time round.
I'm actually one of the pro-Euro lobby normally but this smacks of petulance and it further undermines confidence in the EU as an entity and massively increases cynicism.

They should have left the Irish to their decision made as adults, worked around it and adapted while still taking the rebuke from them onboard and amending as appropriate.
 
#6
And if they say no, what would hapen? Would Belgium invade?





Actually I'd pay good money to watch that.
 
#7
jagman said:
Just mentioned on BBC
The Irish are to be given the oppurtunity to vote properly this autumn and are presented with a new referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

So much for abiding by the referendum that has already taken place.
So if they fcuk the vote off again and say 'No' to increasing the EU's power then that isn't a proper vote then...?

So much for democracy. The Majority of the voter's say 'No', so they are made to vote again when very little in the Treaty has actually been changed. How many re-runs will there be? Enough until the turn out is low enough for the 'Yes' camp to be in the majority..?
 
#8
The EU has form for this, every time the people have been asked if they want a constitution/treaty they've said no, this has been ignored before and will be again.
 
#9
It is a chilling portent of things to come that 'ways round' Ireland's no vote were talked about from the moment the result became known. It is obvious that Europe will not be founded on democracy or even a close copy of democracy.
This exercise, no matter the outcome, at least proves to the Irish electorate that their Government will at least try to fulfil election promises and give its electorate the chance to proceed in a democratic manner, what a pity that our own leaders can't act in a similar fashion.
 
#10
Get in ireland! I hope they keep saying no. It will be interesting to see what the EU will do. If they push it then people will see the EU for what it really is.
 
#11
Sixty said:
jagman said:
Yeh, no doubt about it.
Sadly the financial car crash that is Ireland at the moment means the pro EU lobby will probably be able to convince voters they are doomed without the Lisbon Treaty.
It has been made perfectly clear that a no vote simply will not be acceptable, hence the oppurtunity for Ireland to vote appropriatley this time round.
I'm actually one of the pro-Euro lobby normally but this smacks of petulance and it further undermines confidence in the EU as an entity and massively increases cynicism.

They should have left the Irish to their decision made as adults, worked around it and adapted while still taking the rebuke from them onboard and amending as appropriate.
I agree.
 
#12
Sincere europhobes in the Freestate were always lunatic fringe of Chuckies and Priest fondling mumsies. The exit polls revealed that the anti-Lisbon voters mostly saw declining as a means of negotiating better terms. More power to them it seems there'll at least be a formalized nod to this.

Since the Icelandic and Irish economies imploded there aren't many folk left feeling closer to Boston than Brussels. There's many a thankful prayer said that they had the good sense to ditch the Punt.
 
#13
alib said:
Since the Icelandic and Irish economies imploded there aren't many folk left feeling closer to Boston than Brussels. There's many a thankful prayer said that they had the good sense to ditch the Punt.
Yes indeed - ROI is being kept afloat by dig-outs form the ECB. Lisbon will probably go through as people vote to "keep a-hold of Nurse, For fear of finding something worse".

Something worse in this case being bankruptcy and the IMF dropping around to sort things out by selling the young and good looking Irish into prostitution and the old & ugly for their organs.
 
#15
Here yer go, sold out for a tiny exclusion.

EU agrees Irish treaty compromise

EU leaders have agreed a deal they hope will secure the Lisbon Treaty a "Yes" vote in a second Irish referendum.

Ireland won legally-binding assurances that Lisbon would not affect Irish policies on military neutrality, taxes and abortion, diplomats said.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said leaders had agreed to Irish demands that the guarantees would be given the status of a treaty "protocol". Read More...

Abortion, they all go over to the North anyway, fecking hypocrits. But then again, Eire was in the original EEC poor-four Line Up and as such over the years has sponged Billions upon Billions from the EU coffers. Why break the habit of a lifetime..?
 
#16
The EU will give them big bribes IF they agree to vote Yes. Its obvious, it under-hand but what do you expect of the unelected troughers
 
#17
heard_it_all_before said:
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Abortion, they all go over to the North anyway, fecking hypocrits. But then again, Eire was in the original EEC poor-four Line Up and as such over the years has sponged Billions upon Billions from the EU coffers. Why break the habit of a lifetime..?
I assume you mean Liverpool.

While in the North we have progressed a little beyond the Taliban in the field of woman's rights, due largely to shouty Chuckie harridans, things are not so different up here. In the 6C we still follow a righteous policy of vigorous state intervention where durty baby murdering hussies who led poor Father Michael/Pastor Billy astray are concerned. I'm sorry girl those fallopians are as bout as much yours as the jacks in Stormont.

Linky.
Abortion is illegal in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, unless the pregnancy is in threat of endangering the life of the woman (as differential to her health) through continuance of the pregnancy.
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Abortion is largely illegal in Northern Ireland, where only seventy to eighty abortions take place legally each year.[5] Abortion is opposed by most of the major Northern Irish parties, both unionist and nationalist. Sinn Féin does, however, support a limited liberalisation of current abortion laws. However Sinn Féin have stated consistently that they are opposed to the 1967 Abortion Act, which applies to the rest of the UK, being introduced.
 
#18
Maybe the Kommie Kommizzars of Bruxxelles will ask theer most respected, craven and obedient servants Pa Broone, Lord Mandy-Meddlesome, the Lords and Lady Kerchingchucks to mobilise the British Army for a punishment raid on Dublin to tell them that they are..... 'Not allowed to say...NO!"

But the Irish should act like Monsier Creosote and tell Bruxxelles and the Kommie Kommizzars to..... 'Faroukh Off.....!" :p :?
 
#19
uncle_vanya said:
Maybe the Kommie Kommizzars of Bruxxelles will ask theer most respected, craven and obedient servants Pa Broone, Lord Mandy-Meddlesome, the Lords and Lady Kerchingchucks to mobilise the British Army for a punishment raid on Dublin to tell them that they are..... 'Not allowed to say...NO!"

But the Irish should act like Monsier Creosote and tell Bruxxelles and the Kommie Kommizzars to..... 'Faroukh Off.....!" :p :?
In English ????
 
#20
If the Irish people say no again, the unelected Commissars will simply invent another method to get their own way.

If Cameron wants a gold-plated guarantee of winning the next election, provided that the unelected Lord Rumba of Rio allows us to have one, then a declaration that he will permit a Referendum on the Lisbon Constitutional Treaty will do the trick.
 

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