New Defence Secretary visits Headley Court

#1
Dr Liam Fox today visited Headley Court.

I thought it was very good him seeing the injuries sustained. Hopefully this will be in his mind when he has to make decisions with regard to defence spending.

I would have liked to talk to him with regards to the AFCS. I still dont think that £570,000 as a top level pay out is adequate considering some of the injuries sustained.
 
#3
dingerr said:
Dr Liam Fox today visited Headley Court.

I thought it was very good him seeing the injuries sustained. Hopefully this will be in his mind when he has to make decisions with regard to defence spending.

I would have liked to talk to him with regards to the AFCS. I still dont think that £570,000 as a top level pay out is adequate considering some of the injuries sustained.
I don't see how he could possibly get them OUT of his mind. After watching a documentary not too long back, I can't!
 
#4
dingerr said:
I would have liked to talk to him with regards to the AFCS. I still dont think that £570,000 as a top level pay out is adequate considering some of the injuries sustained.
I think you'll find he will get a few reminders from all sorts of interested parties Dingerr; don't worry, he won't be able to let it slip his mind.
 
#5
Political motivations or not, that is a very astute first move for an SoS (D) to make. In many respects I hope that this doesn't get published, as it might be deemed to be making mileage out of Headley.

Given his oft quoted lines about the experiments with pigs and GSWs to examine the effect, I can't see him not being aware of the consequences of combat; but first hand knowledge is always beneficial.

As for the AFCS limits, quite frankly they are criminally low. Has anyone tested them against ECHR standards yet?
 
#6
Dingerr,

Do you know if he brought a media circus along, or was it a low key visit?

As for the AFCS, good to see you looking out for No. 1.
 
#7
Visit was pretty low key, which adds credibilty to it, showing it not just to be a spin exercise. Lets see if it gets reported in the media.
 
#8
dingerr said:
Visit was pretty low key, which adds credibilty to it, showing it not just to be a spin exercise. Lets see if it gets reported in the media.
Hopefully this is demonstrably the end of the spin / media circus that has dominated politics for the past 13 years and that Fox forces the Government make responsible decisions about Defence funding and the Military Covenant. A good start, I hope.

PS Dingerr, I'm glad to see you're not being deprived of ARRSE time!
 
#9
I have it on exceptionally good authority that a lot of the seniors from both sides have done low key visits in the past without feeling the need to publicise the event. While it is extremely laudable of SofS to visit, please don't assume that he is the first Minister or senior political figure to do so.
 
#10
You know what - the man did a good thing, I doubt he wants credit or political points and as for the rest, well can we just leave it??
 
#11
DozyBint said:
PS Dingerr, I'm glad to see you're not being deprived of ARRSE time!
Yes! I get plenty of arrse.
 
#12
I don't believe Dr. Fox to be much of a 'spinner', he is a realist, anchored firmly to this planet.

Whether he will succeed in acquiring the necessary proper funding for the MoD remains to be seen.

However, if any 'Arrser' thinks they are in for another dollop of the third rate twerps served up to the MoD by the Labour Government, I recommend that they think again.

Dr. Fox may be Scottish, but he is not of the 'glowering', 'well balanced chip on each shoulder', 'class warfare expert', bunch of thugs associated with and infesting the late and unlamented failed Labour Government.
 
#13
lsquared said:
I don't believe Dr. Fox to be much of a 'spinner', he is a realist, anchored firmly to this planet.

Whether he will succeed in acquiring the necessary proper funding for the MoD remains to be seen.

However, if any 'Arrser' thinks they are in for another dollop of the third rate twerps served up to the MoD by the Labour Government, I recommend that they think again.

Dr. Fox may be Scottish, but he is not of the 'glowering', 'well balanced chip on each shoulder', 'class warfare expert', bunch of thugs associated with and infesting the late and unlamented failed Labour Government.
Whilst I agree with you about M. le Reynard, I also have two words for you:

John Nott!!!!!!!!
 
#14
Gremlin said:
lsquared said:
I don't believe Dr. Fox to be much of a 'spinner', he is a realist, anchored firmly to this planet.

Whether he will succeed in acquiring the necessary proper funding for the MoD remains to be seen.

However, if any 'Arrser' thinks they are in for another dollop of the third rate twerps served up to the MoD by the Labour Government, I recommend that they think again.

Dr. Fox may be Scottish, but he is not of the 'glowering', 'well balanced chip on each shoulder', 'class warfare expert', bunch of thugs associated with and infesting the late and unlamented failed Labour Government.
Whilst I agree with you about M. le Reynard, I also have two words for you:

John Nott!!!!!!!!
A very, I repeat, a very apposite post - grrrrrr! :x

Sadly, I am not able to argue Nott's position relating to 'defence'.

I have read his books but I still do not understand the man. I have met him a few times and he always came over as somewhat disinterested in matters or people not intimately involved in his 'world'. There are some who 'worship' him and I have met some who think he is, was, a perfect 'snob' and political lightweight.

I think that he, Nott, genuinely found it difficult to deal with 'ordinary' people. Simply, he lives on a different plane.

Le bon docteur Reynard is neither 'disinterested' nor a 'snob'. I believe it is likely that one may find Dr. Fox in the WOs' & Sergeants' Mess, in the NAAFI, in the CO's house, in the bowling alley, in the trenches and sangars even.

If I am proven to be wrong, I shall post acknowledgement and say 'oops'!
 

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#15
A few years ago before he was a shadow minister Mrs Baldy attended a course where Dr Fox was an instructor, with his GP hat on. She says she found him a thoroughly decent bloke, even when he accused her of being a politician when she answered his question with a question. :D
 
#16
I still don't trust Fox (although I'm initially impressed by the two PUS appointments). Hopefully he'll prove me wrong.
 
#17
jarrod248 said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/surrey/6918675.stm
Yes, he did eventually get on the Norton House Bandwagon, once it had gained momentum. However remember that his initial response to emails from a few ARRSE members was to direct them towards their own MP and state that this was a local matter and not within his remit. If you dig out the Grays Lane thread they are all on there somewhere, probably about page 70-100 or so!! ;)
 
#18
DozyBint said:
Hopefully this is demonstrably the end of the spin / media circus that has dominated politics for the past 13 years and that Fox forces the Government make responsible decisions about Defence funding and the Military Covenant. A good start, I hope.
Sadly they won't be able to not spin. It's what the Germans call a Teufelskreis. It's like when one supermarket starts to open late, they all have to or suffer the loss in revenue. In this case if the Tories don't practice self-publicity and self-aggrandisement on the same scale as Labour, everyone will begin to think they do nothing, and the press will do their best to make it look that way if starved of column inches.

I was a bit concerned about something the good Dr Fox said a while ago about bringing the troops back from from Germany so that they could go on ops too. Not demonstrating a brilliant grasp of his brief there I'm afraid.

Still, a mediocre Tory is always preferable to a gifted socialist!
 
#20
Gremlin said:
Political motivations or not, that is a very astute first move for an SoS (D) to make. In many respects I hope that this doesn't get published, as it might be deemed to be making mileage out of Headley.
1. That line was used to justify the apparent absence of any visits to Selly Oak by any of the previous administration. Now they have gone, anyone like to cite me an instance of LieBore MPs/Sec Def/Cabinet Ministers/PM discreetly visiting wounded troops?

2. There can't be many who don't know this, but (just in case) Liam Fox is a GP by training, and was once a civilian MO for an Army Unit - he is reputed to have gotten quite passionate about square deals for troops and families as a result.

3. Dingerr - chin up, young 'un.
 

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