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Biped

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To quote Ex-Stab - yup - very nicely put.

There you have it - over £800 million sovs of British money going to the poor of India, while India is spending over $700 million on a new supercarrier . . . . and our carriers are put on hold yet again because the UK is skint.

You really couldn't make it up.
 
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Just one more thing that literally makes you want to weep with frustration. Suddenly, you begin to understand why German squaddies joined the Freikorps after WW1...
 
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When I worked on Flight Simulators, we always knew when the Indians had got a large chunk of aid - there was a sudden flurry of orders for simulators to go with the new/upgraded aircraft that they had bought.
 
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wedge35 said:
Just one more thing that literally makes you want to weep with frustration. Suddenly, you begin to understand why German squaddies joined the Freikorps after WW1...
OK, a a septic sort I have to ask. Why is the UK so generous to India when you cannot afford your own carriers, destroyers, jets etc. India has a strong economy, larger gold reserves and foreign currency holdings and India is prosperous enough that they are buying out UK companies. If India cared for their own poor they would be very capable of doing something about them. I really don't understand this.

Then again, I am not entirely clear as to why, other than politics, the US sends 2.5 to 3.0 billion to Isreal every year. Is the Indian vote in the UK so strong the MP's have to do this or they will be seen as anti-Indian and lose their seats.

Nobody really spends a billion dollars without some reason.
 
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Seems Sven will get his £50,000 job in the city after all.

I bet he didn't plan to be moving to Mumbai though!!! :)
 
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DavidBOC said:
wedge35 said:
Just one more thing that literally makes you want to weep with frustration. Suddenly, you begin to understand why German squaddies joined the Freikorps after WW1...
OK, a a septic sort I have to ask. Why is the UK so generous to India when you cannot afford your own carriers, destroyers, jets etc. India has a strong economy, larger gold reserves and foreign currency holdings and India is prosperous enough that they are buying out UK companies. If India cared for their own poor they would be very capable of doing something about them. I really don't understand this.

Then again, I am not entirely clear as to why, other than politics, the US sends 2.5 to 3.0 billion to Isreal every year. Is the Indian vote in the UK so strong the MP's have to do this or they will be seen as anti-Indian and lose their seats.

Nobody really spends a billion dollars without some reason.
I really wish I had an answer for you but it's a mystery to me I'm afraid. I'm all for international co-operation, anti-poverty initiatives etc and am as liberal as they come (in the American sense of the term). But the first duty of any government is the defence of it's people and on that score this Government is failing. To pluck one relevant example out of the air, the Labour Government's own Strategic Defence Review of 1998 stated that the UK needed to maintain a force of at least 32 major surface combatant vessels to meet our commitments without overstretch. We are now down to 25 (17 frigates and 8 destroyers, including those undergoing re-fit or not yet ready for deployed service). The worst of it being, of course, that demands on our forces have actually increased since 1998, whilst our deployable assets have shrunk. Unbelievable.
 
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Biped said:
To quote Ex-Stab - yup - very nicely put.

There you have it - over £800 million sovs of British money going to the poor of India, while India is spending over $700 million on a new supercarrier . . . . and our carriers are put on hold yet again because the UK is skint.

You really couldn't make it up.
Quite right there.

All part of a grand plan to spew forth about £7Bn in 2009 and rising to £12Bn by 2014 in Overseas Development.

And now whinging has started that this should be increased because the fall in the value of Sterling has reduced the value of this in dollar terms

But glad to see it is going to deserving nation.


"India, which plans to operate three aircraft carriers by 2015, is also purchasing the Admiral Gorshkov, which was built in 1987. However, the deal has sparked a lot of controversy as Russia now is demanding a staggering USD 2.9 billion, which is almost twice as much as was originally agreed on."

http://www.yourdefencenews.com/india+goes+for+indigenous+aircraft+carrier_25217.html
 

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DavidBOC said:
wedge35 said:
Just one more thing that literally makes you want to weep with frustration. Suddenly, you begin to understand why German squaddies joined the Freikorps after WW1...
OK, a a septic sort I have to ask. Why is the UK so generous to India when you cannot afford your own carriers, destroyers, jets etc. India has a strong economy, larger gold reserves and foreign currency holdings and India is prosperous enough that they are buying out UK companies. If India cared for their own poor they would be very capable of doing something about them. I really don't understand this.

Then again, I am not entirely clear as to why, other than politics, the US sends 2.5 to 3.0 billion to Isreal every year. Is the Indian vote in the UK so strong the MP's have to do this or they will be seen as anti-Indian and lose their seats.

Nobody really spends a billion dollars without some reason.
You septics just don't get the glorious socialist revolution. Good on you. Way things are going over here, I will be moving to Cali to compete with mexican illegal immigrants on the job market in a few years if things keep going down hill over here...
 
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DavidBOC said:
wedge35 said:
Just one more thing that literally makes you want to weep with frustration. Suddenly, you begin to understand why German squaddies joined the Freikorps after WW1...
OK, as a septic sort I have to ask. Why is the UK so generous to India when you cannot afford your own carriers, destroyers, jets etc. India has a strong economy, larger gold reserves and foreign currency holdings and India is prosperous enough that they are buying out UK companies. If India cared for their own poor they would be very capable of doing something about them. I really don't understand this.
You and me both. Perhaps one of the Journo's or Politico's that frequent this site could answer that question ? Come to think of it why are the media not jumping all over this ?
 
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Hmmm....isn,t all this India Aid money all to do with the Indian vote in this country. Also is this not the most easily corrupted and subverted vote in this country. I think it goes something like this: (I can,t do the accent, I always sound Wesh) "Look what Labour are doing for your home village, they have built a new school/aircraft carrier so come on sign this blank voting form and hand it over, I am your tribal elder you know" or words to that effect as the saying goes.
 
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Unbelievable. I'm about to write a letter to my MP asking him why this is happening. Anyone else care to do the same ? Not to my MP of course, that would be useless- to your own would probably be best.
 
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Before I jump on the band wagon. the following thoughts occur:

1. India will help provide balance against the Chinese.
2. Does this present the UK with export opportunities?
3. It is their country, they can do what they please!
 
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But India buys a lot of stuff from Russia. They don't always get a good deal either. The refurbished large Carrier (ex Gorshkov) that they will be getting from Russia in addition to the one just laid down this week is heading for a cost not far short of what the CVF's will be costing us, and its a smaller 30 year old ship. India has also been having problems with a contract for Russian subs as well.

Best deal they ever got was our old Hermes carrier that saved our bacon in the Falklands. Still in service and just gone for yet another refit to make her last another 10 years. Big thumbs up for a British austerity design.

Maybe they will reflect on this and buy more UK stuff, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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DavidBOC said:
wedge35 said:
Just one more thing that literally makes you want to weep with frustration. Suddenly, you begin to understand why German squaddies joined the Freikorps after WW1...
If India cared for their own poor they would be very capable of doing something about them. ..... Nobody really spends a billion dollars without some reason.
The money our government gives away in foreign aid is 'feel good' money for ministers. It's like those wealthy folks who go to charity auctions and pay fortunes for essentially worthless goods.

A while ago Jamie Oliver, a UK celebrity chef, paid £29,000 for a pair of David Beckham's old football boots. Has he ever worn them? I doubt it. He spent the cash as an ostentatious display of wealth while deflecting criticism by emphasising that it was for a worthy, charitable cause.

In the same way, our dear leader is happy to throw cash at India in the knowledge that it will effectively be spent on prestige projects like their space programme. Of course, being a hard line socialist, Gordon is also happy to be taking money off 'the rich' and redistributing it to 'the poor'.

(Note that, in Britain, 'the rich' includes anybody with a job while 'the poor' includes refugees that are given a six figure income by our government).
 

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