Interesting. Met some of the money behind this last year and they are committed to [making a profit and] having an indigenous arms industry in the middle east. Last year there were vague noises of a carbine - if the pistol is anything to go by it should be acceptable. For the pistol they hired a bloke who had been employed in design and development for Glock. He had some of his own ideas that were outside the Glock envelope and I think he managed to incorporate them into the Caracal pistol. So I am assuming they have similarly invested in design talent for the carbine. So, gents here for your delectation is Caracals version of the M4, HK 416, Sig 516. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WhbToQVFcWg And if someone can tell me how to bring a youtube screen up directly I'd appreciate it.