Never To Late ...

#1
I never realized how easy it is to go college / Uni and do a degree , regardless of your age , mature students dont always need A levels or any qualifications for that matter , quite often work and life experience is enough to get you on most courses , student loans are easy to obtain and dont have to be paid back until you are earning over £20k , if you are married with kids you can get as much money in grants as you do working in a shite job , you cant loose , I`m gonna take the plunge , farewell thicko`s.

Dont know what to study ?

Have a look here....UCAS course search

Need money to study https://www.gov.uk/browse/education/student-finance
 
#3
Go for it, Mrs BM did a degree in medieval history at Exeter Uni in her fifties so crack on, what's to lose.
 
#4
Go for it, Mrs BM did a degree in medieval history at Exeter Uni in her fifties so crack on, what's to lose.
Nothing at all to loose , with the economy not improving job opportunities are getting fewer and these days experience counts for very little if you don`t have the certificates to back it up , especially with anything financed by the government.
 
#5
I'd take some courses in grammar, spelling and how to use a ******* keyboard before you get there if I were you. **** me.
 
#7
Sorry, don't agree. Education counts for zip if you can't prove that you can do the job.

At least this is true in the telecoms industry. You can't do a degree in switch programming or mobile network optimization. The way to progress is to do the manufacturer's courses, and spend a couple of years doing it. The industry changes so quickly that by the time a "Telecoms Engineering" degree has caught up, it is teaching what the network was doing 3 years ago, not what it is doing today. They fill the void with the mathematical and physics principles of say transmission lines, or forward error correction, but unless you're actually designing the kit, that is of little use to the typical telecoms engineer.

The only advantage of having a degree in this industry is to pass a paper sift. But the recruiters know that they are likely to cut out over half the suitable applicants, so it is no longer a common practice. At least for middle & senior positions.
But you will never get on the bottom rung of the ladder without qualifications , a degree also shows you know how to and can learn.
 
#8
Go for it. You never stop learning. I've been studying for something or other for 24 of my 26 years in. When I leave this year I'll start on something else with my new employer. Ignore people who tell you it's a waste of time.

So Mr XXXX what have you done for the last 3 years?

Cand 1. Sat on the dole/flipping MacGrottlies
Cand 2. I went back to uni, got a degree in Ancient History - not relevant to the job but I really enjoyed it

So who's going to look better in the interviewer's eyes?

Education is NEVER wasted
 
#11
Absolutely. I did my degree at 40 just as I was leaving the Army. To anyone who suggests that "paper qualifications count for nothing" is, quite frankly, talking arse. Of course you need experience to back it up, but higher education is never ever a waste of time......ever


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Dead right , usually the words of someone with no qualifications.
 
#13
When I left the service of Her Majesty I decided to enter higher education. Now practicing law and lecturing at university. Doors that were previously shut in my face. Never too old.
 
#14
Whatever. I wish the term "Engineer" in the UK is changed/ re-classified though. Everyone from the guy who fixes your telephone line (a technician) to some one with a doctorate in Nuclear Science are all called "Engineers." No wonder they get paid so much less here compared to the continent (Germany, Austria etc.) and other places (U.S, Aus etc.).

Threw me off the first time I moved here and was trying to get my phone connection up and running - BT said they would send an engineer over, I was like " why would you want to send an engineer over for connecting a phone line?" Then after a few more experiences with other companies I realized what they meant was a technician.

Hey, I have nothing against techs, a couple of people I know have a lot more knowledge than an degree qualified engineer, but still.....

Back in the U.S., you can't technically call someone an engineer till they have a 4 year college degree.
 
#15
I spent 8 years collecting pieces of paper, became an x-spurt in data wareousing and data mining using artificial intelligence applied to GIS - industry still have not caught up with what I was doing 14 years ago. Would I do it all again? No!

I found that office life was not for me and would have done a construction related degree, become a Chartered Surveyor and Member of the Institute of Builders. All still pieces of paper requiring uni, which I enjoyed.

I carried on after uni at the local college and did plumbing, advanced plumbing and CORGI to use in my property development. At 54 I'm back at college now doing an accelerated electrician course to get my license in one year so that I can carry on property developing and building here in the US.

I was not the only one to drop out of academia and do something totally unrelated. One mucker who was a real rocket scientist took himself off to college afterwards, learned plastering and now runs a successful little business doing that. Another guy took his marketing PhD and went to work as a deck officer down under. Anoher went off to work on the bins, he's back in Academia now though.......last count he had a degree, 6 masters degrees and a PhD, he used to take a masters very year just because he liked going up on stage at the graduation ceremony. If you thin that is strange I worked with one bloke who had 3 PhD's.

Uni is an experience to be enjoyed, do not look upon it as a means of providing a job for the rest of your life if you do an esoteric subject. The more practical subjects are better, even those should be looked at with the critical eye of "could I take what I learn here and do it out of an office in my house". That way you will not go far wrong.
 
#16
Yes, but the US 4-year degree is really a 2 year degree in the core subject. The other 2 years are spent on electives and common subjects that have sod all to do with the core subject.

My 16yr old stepdaughter, who is in her junior year at (US) High School (ie one year left) is currently studying what my 12-yr old is doing at (UK) Grammar School (ie atomic bonds in Chemistry, trigonometry in maths). My stepdaughter is learning Spanish at school, while my daughter is learning Spanish, French and German.

The US education system is shagged. The much-vaunted 4-year degree is blindly demanded, without the slightest understanding of what is actually taught, or required by industry.

My wife is a teacher, she has a bachelor's, 2x master's, a specialist degree (in between masters and doctorate), and is currently studying for a doctorate in education, specifically curriculum. She is well aware of the US's woeful situation, and embarrassed by it. As if to prove the worthlessness of the situation, she's doing A-level statistics as part of her doctorate. If I had any hair left, I'd be pulling it out.
True.

To expand:

1. When a junior setic graduates from High School at 18 they are at the same level as a european child of 16. The State Department told me this when I needed to prove I had graduated High School to get a green card.

2. An American 2 year college degree - associates degree - is the same as the education a Brit kid receives between 16 and 18, A Levels.

3. An American 4 year degree uses the first two years like the Associates degree and then builds on that with the two final years.

4. Many septics I know have done Masters degrees in order to be considered prsonally and professionally competent.

5. Many PhD subjects in the USA are taught as classes. I said many Roadster, not all. In europe PhDs are based on individual, in depth research and not chalk and talk.

6. The brighter parents here actually start putting their kids thru college course when they reach 16 so that at 18 they have a leg up on the academic ladder. There are now schools who in acknowledgement of he dire situation are partnering with colleges to run the equivelent of A Levels by running college credit courses in school as an option.
 
#17
Some companies will not even look at at you regardless of how much experience you've got if you haven't got a degree, Bechtel being one. Even with an HND and 12 years experience I didn't make the sift purely because of the fact I didn't have a degree, something which I've now changed.
 
#19
Yes, but the US 4-year degree is really a 2 year degree in the core subject. The other 2 years are spent on electives and common subjects that have sod all to do with the core subject.

My 16yr old stepdaughter, who is in her junior year at (US) High School (ie one year left) is currently studying what my 12-yr old is doing at (UK) Grammar School (ie atomic bonds in Chemistry, trigonometry in maths). My stepdaughter is learning Spanish at school, while my daughter is learning Spanish, French and German.

The US education system is shagged. The much-vaunted 4-year degree is blindly demanded, without the slightest understanding of what is actually taught, or required by industry.

My wife is a teacher, she has a bachelor's, 2x master's, a specialist degree (in between masters and doctorate), and is currently studying for a doctorate in education, specifically curriculum. She is well aware of the US's woeful situation, and embarrassed by it. As if to prove the worthlessness of the situation, she's doing A-level statistics as part of her doctorate. If I had any hair left, I'd be pulling it out.
Probably true and a very interesting comparison, since I haven't studied outside the U.S. - doesn't change my core disagreement with the UK "engineer" terminology though!
 
#20
The engineer term is wrong when it comes to Canada as simply having a degree doesn't make you an engineer. You need to do your PEng to be able to call yourself an engineer. In Canada there is a lot more legal protection when it comes to professional titles than there is in the UK. As far as I know in the UK the ony protected job title is architect, in Canada I think there are a lot more jobs where you can't call yourself a teacher/architect/engineer/etc without being professionally registered.
 

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