So Diamond was going to the Gulf to relieve Montrose but has now been tasked to take over SNMG2 from Ocean as Ocean heads to the Caribbean.

What becomes of Montrose or her tasking?

HMS Diamond relieves HMS Ocean | Royal Navy

It is inspiring that we can transport by air, troops and helicopters at the drop of a hat, but is the surface fleet not woefully under-equipped today?
 

Yokel

LE
Today?

Some of us have been banging the drum for years, but the media and politicians only seem to have noticed recently. As said elsewhere, the real issue is lack of people. We al expected a manpower uplift as part of SDSR 15, but it never happened.
 
Monmouth, not Montrose.
 
The new floaty things ( and indeed the new not floaty things) will require less crew than there predecessors

Can this be translated into additional hulls rather than manpower savings ( obviously other running costs come in so its not as simple as saved 300 men = 3 additional vessels- but could it not give 1 or 2
 

AlienFTM

MIA
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The new floaty things ( and indeed the new not floaty things) will require less crew than there predecessors

Can this be translated into additional hulls rather than manpower savings ( obviously other running costs come in so its not as simple as saved 300 men = 3 additional vessels- but could it not give 1 or 2
In the late 70s, the USSR announced they were cutting their armoured corps manpower by 25%.







By replacing T62 with T64/T72, replacing loaders with autoloaders.
 
Regrettably, I fear that things will be getting worse before they...well, they'll definitely be getting worse anyway.

Absorbing the costs of the carriers, Dreadnought and T26/31 was always going to be extremely difficult for the RN and Defence.

Combine that with SDSR15 commitments for the RAF, the apparent political reluctance to transfer manpower liability from the Army, the impact of Brexit, austerity, a demographic trough and societal apathy towards the military, and the diversion of a T45 doesn't even begin to tell the story.

Regards,
MM
 

Le_addeur_noir

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On ROPs
The new floaty things ( and indeed the new not floaty things) will require less crew than there predecessors

Can this be translated into additional hulls rather than manpower savings ( obviously other running costs come in so its not as simple as saved 300 men = 3 additional vessels- but could it not give 1 or 2

In Britain?. Not in your wildest dreams.

Increase in foreign aid, no problem.

MP's pay rise above inflation, again no problem.

Increase in defence capability, a low priority at best, and not likely to happen.

Apart from the 2 new aircraft carriers-but no aircraft!, you can expect little from this lot, and nothing if Labour get in.
 
...you can expect...nothing if Labour get in.

You're a glass half full chap aren't you!

Corbyn is slowly and quietly forcing moderates out of positions of power and has stated that if he gets in, he'll conduct a defence review. My prediction is that that would see the withdrawal of the strategic deterrent and the cancellation of the Dreadnoughts within 6 months of a Labour government getting in.

Defence would be his 'magic money tree' to fund huge increases in expenditure on other public services.

Regards,
MM
 

Le_addeur_noir

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On ROPs
You're a glass half full chap aren't you!

If Labour get in, the glass will be emptied in the first year.

At the turn of the year Corbyn was a joke with no realistic chance of attaining power.

Now many see him as the next Prime Minister. And that is no laughing matter.
You're a glass half full chap aren't you!

Corbyn is slowly and quietly forcing moderates out of positions of power and has stated that if he gets in, he'll conduct a defence review. My prediction is that that would see the withdrawal of the strategic deterrent and the cancellation of the Dreadnoughts within 6 months of a Labour government getting in.

Defence would be his 'magic money tree' to fund huge increases in expenditure on other public services.

Regards,
MM

If Labour get in, the glass will be emptied in the first year.

At the turn of the year Corbyn was a joke with no realistic chance of attaining power.

Now many see him as the next Prime Minister. And that is no laughing matter.

I wonder if Corbyn (or some other extremist in the Labour Party should Corbyn be deposed)would invite the Russians and/or the Chinese to set up military bases here?.
 
You're a glass half full chap aren't you!

Corbyn is slowly and quietly forcing moderates out of positions of power and has stated that if he gets in, he'll conduct a defence review. My prediction is that that would see the withdrawal of the strategic deterrent and the cancellation of the Dreadnoughts within 6 months of a Labour government getting in.

Defence would be his 'magic money tree' to fund huge increases in expenditure on other public services.

Regards,
MM


Almost right.
He would build the Dreadnoughts because the Unions tell him he has to.
They would never leave Barrow though
 
Almost right.
He would build the Dreadnoughts because the Unions tell him he has to.
They would never leave Barrow though

Dont be silly
They along with the type 45s will do humanitarian missions carrying water and other supplies*



*Funny if it hadn't been seriously suggested by someone close to him
 

Yokel

LE
Dont be silly
They along with the type 45s will do humanitarian missions carrying water and other supplies*



*Funny if it hadn't been seriously suggested by someone close to him

Link?
 
The Defence Secretary stated on 6th September that the RN is, in fact, GROWING. He's a politician - they wouldn't lie about such things...*



Buy it is! Honest!

Said with a straight face at a meeting.....

"Each of the new Batch 2 OPV's is larger than a WWII Destroyer..."
 
Buy it is! Honest!

Said with a straight face at a meeting.....

"Each of the new Batch 2 OPV's is larger than a WWII Destroyer..."

And your point is what?

Whats the context - obviously you've just quoted it as the above in order to demonstrate idiocy, but lets have the actual context

The Batch 2s are as big as some WW2 frigates / destroyers - so the statements accurate of itself.
 
And your point is what?

Whats the context - obviously you've just quoted it as the above in order to demonstrate idiocy, but lets have the actual context

The Batch 2s are as big as some WW2 frigates / destroyers - so the statements accurate of itself.


It was the usual trying to offset declining numbers arguments with bigger/bigger footprint ballaux
 

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