Nato, Russia bid to wrap up Afghan transit deals

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Nato, Russia bid to wrap up Afghan transit deals

Afp, Brussels

Nato and Russia have stepped up efforts to conclude by next month two accords allowing alliance-led troops in Afghanistan to transit Russian territory, Nato diplomats said Friday.

"For years Nato and Russia have been bogged down on a framework accord on air transport and an exchange of letters on ground rail transport," one diplomat said, on condition of anonymity.

"This time, we've decided to try to finish them by the NATO-Russia summit in Bucharest so that the documents can be signed by Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and Russian President Vladimir Putin," he said.

Putin, who is due to step down in May, has accepted an invitation to attend the April 2-4 Nato summit in the Romanian capital, and officials have said the Russian delegation has reserved from 250 to 400 hotel rooms for the event.
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But with these new deals, "Nato countries will also benefit from an accord that will let them lease cargo aircraft from Russia.

Antonovs safety records are terrible.
 
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Yes and if Pakistan goes wild the supply chain will be a little bit more robust. Of course this is in the Russians interests, for the time being!
 
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Bossdog said:
Antonovs safety records are terrible.
not wanting to be callous about Russian aircrew, but if they're being hired for ash'n'trash and not personnel, who at the MOD cares if the odd one drops out the sky, especially if it works out a bit cheaper? :roll:
 
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It will, however, give the Russian Government (Putin) considerable practical say over the conduct of NATO operations in Afghanistan. Remind me again, how supportive was Putin of NATO in general over the last few years?
 
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I see the old Russkie bashin cold warriors are in the house, no doubt you would prefer the existing supply routes, you know the ones that goes through all that very stable, law abiding territory where the local custom officials steal everything and p1ss on whats left. Better that than Ivan eh?!

This news is very good indeed and will seriously help our people on the ground.

But don't let that get in the way of a good old knee jerk attack on fellow Christians who share at least some similar values.

Ohhh look its Third Shock Army at last! Or is it a **** smear on my glasses.....
 
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armchair_jihad said:
I see the old Russkie bashin cold warriors are in the house, no doubt you would prefer the existing supply routes, you know the ones that goes through all that very stable, law abiding territory where the local custom officials steal everything and p1ss on whats left. Better that than Ivan eh?!

This news is very good indeed and will seriously help our people on the ground.

But don't let that get in the way of a good old knee jerk attack on fellow Christians who share at least some similar values.

Ohhh look its Third Shock Army at last! Or is it a * smear on my glasses.....
Im more concerned about air safety if troops are being transported in Russian cargo planes.
 
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Good show ruskie.

If you think paper chasin is bad this side of the curtain, you've fcukin seen nowt!!

Are your LOI's all in order? ;)
 
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Surely if the Russian Transport aircraft are serviced correctly then you've got a cheap rugged large transport aircraft, that should be a hell of a lot easier to repair and get parts for than the expensive American and European stuff........


Duncan
 
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Bossdog said:
armchair_jihad said:
I see the old Russkie bashin cold warriors are in the house, no doubt you would prefer the existing supply routes, you know the ones that goes through all that very stable, law abiding territory where the local custom officials steal everything and p1ss on whats left. Better that than Ivan eh?!

This news is very good indeed and will seriously help our people on the ground.

But don't let that get in the way of a good old knee jerk attack on fellow Christians who share at least some similar values.

Ohhh look its Third Shock Army at last! Or is it a * smear on my glasses.....
Im more concerned about air safety if troops are being transported in Russian cargo planes.
I'm more concerned with the current attitudes of the Russian Government. They've not been particularly friendly of late and this seems to be handing them a pretty big stick to beat us with, particularly if they see us achieving what the Soviet Union couldn't.

I also don't believe that the few similar values the Russians hold are a result of Christianity.
 
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can't see russia losing on this one though.
Nato wants to give terry a good shoeing why should we stand in the way give them one from us while your at it :roll:
Once NAto have there msr set up I'm sure there be amenable to seeing our way over a few trifles :evil:
 
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In this country and a good number of European countries we have all suffered from Government cutbacks in out armed forces. Has the same happened in Russia/WP or are they sitting on hundereds (thousands even) of perfectly servicable and capable aircraft and tanks that could give us all a very nasty shock should Mr Putin suddenly want to expand his borders al a Hitler in 1939?
 
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'Real progress' in NATO-Russia talks on Afghan transit
8 March 2008 | 18:05 | FOCUS News Agency

Baku. NATO and Russia are making "real progress" in talks on allowing supplies for the NATO-led mission in Afghanistan to transit Russian territory, a senior NATO official said Saturday, cited by AFP.
"I think we're making real progress on coming to an agreement," Robert Simmons, NATO's special envoy for the Caucasus and Central Asia, told journalists in the Azerbaijani capital Baku.
Simmons, who held talks on the issue in Moscow this week, said Russian officials would soon be travelling to NATO headquarters in Brussels for more negotiations.
He said both sides hoped a deal could be reached before the April 2-4 NATO summit in the Romanian capital, Bucharest.
He said the deal would allow "non-lethal equipment for the NATO efforts in Afghanistan" to travel by land routes through Russia and Central Asia -- a far cheaper option than shipping by air.
Simmons said talks are also underway for Russia to supply training, new equipment and spare parts for existing equipment to the Afghan military.
Russia could also participate in training programmes for counter-narcotics officials in Central Asia aimed at stemming the flow of heroin out of Afghanistan, he said.
 
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Well, it'll be a better alternative to Pakistan. At least for as long as it suits Putin, not NATO, for it to be.

I wonder what kind of inspection regime they'll insist on to ensure the cargo is purely 'non-lethal'.

Edit for spelling 'coz M&S have a wine sale on.
 
#18
Former Soviet cargo aircraft and safe practices?

Have a look at this video.

You Tube

As background, Jet transport aircraft are supposed to be able to withstand an engine failure on take-off. The crew calculate a decision speed (called V1) and if they have a failure below that speed they will be able to stop on the remaining runway. Above that speed they will continue acceleration and there will be enough runway left to reach flying speed, start to climb and cross the end of the runway at 35 feet. These criteria usually dictate the maximum weight of the aircraft (ie cargo and fuel load) for a particular runway length.

The aircraft in this clip would clearly not have been able to cross the departure end of the runway at 35 ft if it had been deprived of a quarter of it's power. It barely made it with all 4 engines running. With no further knowledge of this incident I would say that the aircraft was heavily overloaded. Of course, leaving cargo behind or taking less fuel (and making an intermediate) stop costs money, so departing overweight is something that you can repeatedly get away with - provided that an engine doesn't give-up at the wrong moment...

I have seen similar - if not quite so marginal - departures by Antonovs from Brize Norton. It's fine to say "their aircraft, their lives" until one ends up crashing onto Witney or Cirencester.

The MoD is quite right to prohibit the carriage of it's personnel by these carriers - I wouldn't get on one.
 

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