NATO New Rapid Reaction Force to counter Russians

#4
If only NATO had had a plan to counter Georgian aggression, we might not be in the situation we're in.

Oh, but of course. The Russians are the baddies. I forgot for a moment.
 

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#5
Perhaps the US would be better off telling wannabe US satalite states not to start shelling Russian troops
As far as I can see Georgia started it,then when it all went pear shaped expected the US and us to blitkrieg our way to Moscow
Aren't we overstretched enough without all this bollocks?
 
#6
The powers that be could always permit the Reformation of The Liebstandarte, Das Reich and Wiking Panzer Divisions. I'm sure there'd be thousands of eager young shaven headed Teutons willing to have a pop at Ivan.
They could even use some of those 'wacky' British SS re-enactors as a training cadre. :D
 
#7
I read the Times article, more interesting were the comments, even more interesting was the locations of the commentators.
US of A, Russia dominate and very few from the UK, just shows how interested / knowledgeable the general public appear to be .....

Anyway I cant seem to locate the gas pipeline between Russia and the US of A, just a thought.

WW
 
#8
The Economist printed this article not to long ago...

WHEN Russian armoured columns rumbled into Georgia last month, an early casualty was General Anatoly Khrulyov, the head of the 58th Army, who was wounded by shrapnel and evacuated. The Russians lost their most senior commander in the field because, by their own accounts, they did not know where Georgian units were. Russian forces lacked surveillance drones and night-vision equipment. Radios worked poorly, and commanders resorted to using mobile phones. Troops barely co-ordinated with the air force, which lost several jets (among them a Tu-22 strategic bomber) and dropped mostly old “dumb” bombs rather than modern smart ones. The wonder is how the Russians routed the Georgians so swiftly.

The Kremlin had been displaying a new military assertiveness even before its “August war” with Georgia, sending cold-war bombers buzzing close to European and American airspace, holding high-profile naval exercises, announcing ambitious plans to build new aircraft carriers and testing new ballistic missiles. What Vladimir Putin, Russia’s prime minister, has called a “punch in the face” for Georgia may have been an attempt to demonstrate the restoration of Russia’s military power. But it also exposed the poor results from Russia’s recent surge in defence spending.

This has doubled in nominal rouble terms since 2004. Yet much of the extra money has been eaten away by inflation. In any case, Russia’s defence spending is a fraction of America’s (see chart).

Russian commanders have spoken bluntly about shortcomings. President Dmitry Medvedev says that reforming and re-equipping the armed forces will be a top priority. On September 16th, Mr Putin announced a 27% increase in spending next year on “national defence and security”.

Yet much of that money goes on maintaining Russia’s nuclear deterrent. During the cold war it was the West that relied on nuclear weapons to offset the Soviet Union’s conventional superiority; now it is the other way around. Although in better shape than the rest of Russia’s military units, the nuclear forces have not escaped the post-Soviet rot. The first of its new Borey-class nuclear submarines launched last year is useless because its planned intercontinental ballistic missile, the Bulava, designed to outwit anti-missile defences, has been plagued by test failures (Western officials say it has problems with its range too).

Outside experts estimate that one-third of defence spending is embezzled or otherwise mis-spent. Anatoly Serdyukov, the defence minister, has tried to curb corruption among the top brass. Yet Alexander Golts, a Moscow-based defence expert, says “the Russian army is a black hole” into which money simply disappears. The result is a military fantasy in which Russia sends barely functional bombers and warships on long-range missions.

Take the Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia’s only aircraft-carrier (once named after the Georgian capital, Tbilisi). It has undergone interminable repairs since being commissioned in 1985. It took part in rare exercises in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean between December 2007 and February this year. In the view of Western experts, the Russians did well simply to avoid its breaking down. Russia’s announcement in July that it will build five or six more aircraft carriers has been met with derision. Russia does not have shipyards able to build such vessels; the Admiral Kuznetsov was built in a shipyard that is now in Ukraine.

That said, Russia makes some good equipment, such as air-defence systems. The infusion of money helps it exercise its atrophied military muscles. A growing proportion of soldiers are volunteers (known as kontraktniki), who are more disciplined than much-abused conscripts. The slow move to a smaller, all-professional army in place of the million-strong, largely conscript force is made more urgent by Russia’s demographic decline.

The forces that invaded Georgia were largely made up of professionals. Despite problems in keeping them supplied, they were for the most part better behaved than the South Ossetian militiamen who looted and destroyed Georgian villages. The Russian army seems to have fought better in Georgia than it did in either of the post-Soviet wars in Chechnya, the now-subdued breakaway province across the border from Georgia. Indeed, the forces sent into Georgia included the Vostok battalion, made up of pro-Kremlin Chechens. Russia’s ability quickly to deploy 20,000-odd soldiers in Georgia (rehearsed in exercises during the summer) showed some skill.

“Russian forces are not modern. Some of their weapons date back to the 1960s and 1970s. But that does not mean they cannot kill you,” says Pavel Felgenhauer, a Russian defence writer for Novaya Gazeta, a newspaper. The Russians may not be a match for even a medium-sized Western army, say experts, but they are good enough to scare the poor, post-Soviet states in the “near abroad”.

In the words of a senior American official, “the war in Georgia does not show the Russians have greater military capability, but it demonstrates a greater willingness to use force.” NATO will have to reassess its assumptions about Russia, albeit cautiously to “avoid creating a self-fulfilling prophecy”, as the official puts it.

The main threats to the West now are Russia’s manipulation of oil and gas exports, its diplomatic spoiling tactics, and its dalliances with Iran, Syria and Venezuela. The danger of a direct attack by Russia is remote. But the indirect threat of its more advanced weapons being sold to such potential Western foes is a growing worry.
 
#9
Let's reread this passage: "The main threats to the West now are Russia’s manipulation of oil and gas exports, its diplomatic spoiling tactics, and its dalliances with Iran, Syria and Venezuela. The danger of a direct attack by Russia is remote. But the indirect threat of its more advanced weapons being sold to such potential Western foes is a growing worry."

Does Syria, Venezuela and Iran have major problems with any of European states to the point they could be described as "foes"? No. But they have big problems with the US (actually, it's the other way round: the US have big problems with Syria, Venezuela and Iran).

And now let's put the true meaning into the context: Since "the danger of a direct attack by Russia is remote"(according to Russian side, -- not in the planning), Russian threat to the US, European and Asian countries is also remote (or non-existent). The main threats to the USA is Russia's dalliances with Iran, Syria and Venezuela in response to ever increasing US aggressive presence on Russian borders and in traditional Russian sphere of influence. So, NATO member-states need to continue putting themselves on the line in order defend US world ambitions.
 
#10
I do believe that USA have completely over extended themselves within the last 2 decades.

But it happens to all empires eventually...

Unfortunately for them (and to some extent us) whilst they sink into economic decline and military over-extension those nations deemed as foes are quietly acquiring economic prosperity and political clout.

New World Order? We are watching it emerge live on CNN...
 
#11
So, already there is the Allied Rapid Reaction Corps (ARRSE) and the NATO Response Force (NRF) - but this is not good enough apparently.

I know, I know. What the US has now "dreamed up" is a standing rapid response force. Problem is, such a thing doesn't exist lready because it's been decided as unfeasable politically. Most NATO member states have their own standing force - sometimes (SLE cough!; ready brigade 82ABN cough cough!!).

Once again, this is just more Washington politiking trying to drag European states into their foreign policy misadventures.
 
#12
Well, if that happens..........WW3
 
#13
Pitswamper said:
They could even use some of those 'wacky' British SS re-enactors as a training cadre. :D
Do you really think Max Moseley and his frauleins are up to that sort of thing?

:lol:
 
#14
So can we get back to going on the pish in Germany rather than fighting a bunch of religious maniacs? Cool! I've been waiting for that for 15 years!
 
#15
Pitswamper said:
The powers that be could always permit the Reformation of The Liebstandarte, Das Reich and Wiking Panzer Divisions. I'm sure there'd be thousands of eager young shaven headed Teutons willing to have a pop at Ivan.
They could even use some of those 'wacky' British SS re-enactors as a training cadre. :D
Ops planning to be based on the predictions of Vanga, now considered high grade intelligence:

2008 - Assassination attempts on four heads of states. Conflict in Indonesia. That becomes one of the causes for the start of WWIII.

2010 - The start of WWIII. The war will begin in November of 2010 and will end in October of 2014. Will start as a normal war, then will include usage of nuclear and chemical weapons.

2011 - Due to the radioactive showers in Northern Hemisphere - no animals or plants will be left. Muslims will begin chemical war against Europeans who are still alive.

2014 - Most of the people in this world will have skin cancer and skin related diseases. (as a result of chemical wars).

2016 - Europe is almost empty

2018 - China becomes the new world power.

2023 - Earth’s orbit will change slightly

2025 - Europe is still barely populated

2028 - Development of a new energy source. (Probably controller thermonuclear reaction) Hunger slowly stops being a problem. Piloted spaceship to Venus deploys.

2033 - Polar ice caps melt. World ocean levels rise.

2043 - World economy is prosperous. Muslims are running Europe.

2046 - Any organs can be mass produced. Exchange of body organs becomes the favorite method of treatment.

2066 - During it’s attack on Rome (which is under control of the Muslims) U.S.A. uses a new method of weapons - has to do with climate change. Sharp freezing.

http://russianfun.net/interesting-galleries/vanga-predictions-for-this-world/
 
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