NATO Expansion

unicorn77

War Hero
This was posted in the thread that breaks the speed-of-light rule for posts, but I don't think it got much comment:


And I also don't see any specific thread for discussion (so shoot me down in flames if I'm wrong)

I would say, should Finland and maybe Sweden now apply for urgent NATO admission, now is a perfect time to do it. NATO and many western governments (UK at the forefront) are all fired up to confront Russia. UK has been at war with Russia imo since the novachok attack on the UK mainland. Russia is fully (over?) committed to Ukraine. Why should we not support any fast track application for them and anyone else to join?
 
Both Sweden and Finland have been working with NATO to ensure compatibility and commonality on operations; I doubt there will be any pushback across NATO (with the possible exception of Greece, because they are Moscow-behoven b*stards).
 

diverman

LE
Book Reviewer
Sweden has moved their G IVs from just undertaking Baltic stand-off electronic surveillance to over Poland watching the Ukraine and Belarus, probably in conjunction with RAF/USAF RC 135 flights. Both Sweden and Finland have upped their defense spending, and Sweden re-introduced specific groups for conscription.
 
This was posted in the thread that breaks the speed-of-light rule for posts, but I don't think it got much comment:


And I also don't see any specific thread for discussion (so shoot me down in flames if I'm wrong)

I would say, should Finland and maybe Sweden now apply for urgent NATO admission, now is a perfect time to do it. NATO and many western governments (UK at the forefront) are all fired up to confront Russia. UK has been at war with Russia imo since the novachok attack on the UK mainland. Russia is fully (over?) committed to Ukraine. Why should we not support any fast track application for them and anyone else to join?
Putin certainly is NATO's best ever salesman for joining. For years he has threatened war and now nations know he is not bluffing
 

unicorn77

War Hero
And Hungary. I think getting a unanimous vote from current members which they need to join is going to be harder than Solenberg seems to suggest.
Maybe, But I suspect the big boys may say (behind the scenes, of course) something like, "Hey! STFU. Just because you are in and you think no-one else matters, there is a bigger picture!"
 
This was posted in the thread that breaks the speed-of-light rule for posts, but I don't think it got much comment:


And I also don't see any specific thread for discussion (so shoot me down in flames if I'm wrong)

I would say, should Finland and maybe Sweden now apply for urgent NATO admission, now is a perfect time to do it. NATO and many western governments (UK at the forefront) are all fired up to confront Russia. UK has been at war with Russia imo since the novachok attack on the UK mainland. Russia is fully (over?) committed to Ukraine. Why should we not support any fast track application for them and anyone else to join?
Small point - delete Novichok and insert Polonium, as the murder of Litvinenko happened much earlier. Litvinenko had become a British citizen just before his murder.
 

RBMK

LE
Book Reviewer
It's looking more likely that both Finland & Sweden will join NATO.

I could not help wondering what effect this will have on Vlad, will he go full Hitler and try to invade Finland and start fighting on two fronts?

If so, what will be the response?
 

964ST

LE
It's looking more likely that both Finland & Sweden will join NATO.

I could not help wondering what effect this will have on Vlad, will he go full Hitler and try to invade Finland and start fighting on two fronts?

If so, what will be the response?
Just poke fun at them and laugh! You „might not be surprised“? how unnerving that is for the aggressor!

Next time someone hangs of your car bumper trying to force you of the road, establish eye contact in the rear view mirror and start laughing hysterically whilst moving erratically! But still driving normally!

Pushy driver! Thats You! That Is Putin!
 
The Greens want the UK to leave NATO. No surprise there. Publicly, Greens and Scottish Greens oppose Russia's actions against Ukraine. CND's Bruce Kent took a letter to the Russian embassy in February, condemning Putin's actions. Perhaps this isn't the kind of peaceful socialism they expected.



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Green Party Co-Leader Admits Party Want UK to Leave NATO After Ukraine War
 
Is that not a face that just begs for a length of lead pipe thudding in on the philtrum following a nifty flick of the wrist in delivering it?
 

The Swedes don't seem to put much faith in the EU's mutual defence clause. They are signing up with UK as are the Finns to tide themselves over until they achieve full NATO membership.
 
UK has been at war with Russia imo since the novachok attack on the UK mainland.
Small point - delete Novichok and insert Polonium, as the murder of Litvinenko happened much earlier. Litvinenko had become a British citizen just before his murder.
It would be fair to say that any ‘war’ we are in with Russia as a result of attacks on our soil is since Novichock

1978 Markov poisoned by ricin umbrella (Bulgarian, but under Russia)
2006 Litvenenkos polonium was spread all across London, and our police were poisoned in moscow
2012 Gotbuntsov, Russsian banker shot by ‘business associates’
2012 Peripilichnyy ‘food’ poisoning
2013 Berezosky ‘suicide’
2014 Scott Young thrown out of his window/fell out of the top of his window, to be impaled on railings for laundering Russian money (an associate of Berezosky)
2016 Matthew Puncher, scientist who identified Litvenenkos polonium ‘suicided’ himself with multiple stab wounds
2018 novichock across london and Salisbury

There are many more Russians and their contacts that have had food poisoning, heart attacks and suicide who have not necessarily highlighted by the GRU incompetence and arrogance from getting away with it for so long, but it wasn’t until the Skripals that things became more frosty and much of the world taking the opportunity to throw out ‘cultural attaches’ etc
 
It would be fair to say that any ‘war’ we are in with Russia as a result of attacks on our soil is since Novichock

1978 Markov poisoned by ricin umbrella (Bulgarian, but under Russia)
2006 Litvenenkos polonium was spread all across London, and our police were poisoned in moscow
2012 Gotbuntsov, Russsian banker shot by ‘business associates’
2012 Peripilichnyy ‘food’ poisoning
2013 Berezosky ‘suicide’
2014 Scott Young thrown out of his window/fell out of the top of his window, to be impaled on railings for laundering Russian money (an associate of Berezosky)
2016 Matthew Puncher, scientist who identified Litvenenkos polonium ‘suicided’ himself with multiple stab wounds
2018 novichock across london and Salisbury

There are many more Russians and their contacts that have had food poisoning, heart attacks and suicide who have not necessarily highlighted by the GRU incompetence and arrogance from getting away with it for so long, but it wasn’t until the Skripals that things became more frosty and much of the world taking the opportunity to throw out ‘cultural attaches’ etc
In her book From Russia With Blood Heidi Blake identifies 14 Russian murders in England. Well worth a read as she also documents Putin's rise to power and the FSB bombing of apartment blocks in Russia which were done to incriminate Chechnya.
 

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