National Rail Strike

Do you support the Rail Strike?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 15.4%
  • No

    Votes: 119 70.4%
  • Can't be bothered

    Votes: 24 14.2%

  • Total voters
    169

ugly

LE
Moderator
Was that the same type as had square wheels that used to run between Darlington and Richmond in the late 60’s.
Nicknamed nodding donkey in the north west and were responsible for the poor rail surface and corrugation in S&C!
 
the right to Strike was very hard earned. It should not be disposed of easily.

And you've swallowed the Schapps line about them being paid "an awful lot".

They don't.
I totally agree. Unfortunately in my experience it’s used as a form of Bribery by the TUC for completely political reasons and for disproportionate results.
 
The train drivers pension deal is phenomenal - they pay in 5% of salary, the company pays in 27%. Never find that anywhere in the real private sector.
Thank heavens for Unions, eh?

The majority of train drivers aren't on strike BTW.
 

Rab_C

LE
I haven’t read every post on this thread but I saw this on Facebook and thought those who criticise the strikers should take a look at it.

“Just take a minute to read the post below, from a Rail Worker, that gives a different perspective to the hyperbole being flung out by HMG's client journalists...

Three years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise, two years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise. But this year they came to us with a 0% pay rise plus over 2500 redundancies, changes to terms and conditions. An increase from 28 weeks of nights to 39 weeks of nights. An increase from 32 weekends worked to 39 weekends worked.

Currently for a night shift we get time and a quarter, for a weekend turn we get time and a half. They wish to cut both of these to time and a tenth. So that’s a 15% pay cut on every night shift and a 40% pay cut on every weekend turn. But they want us to work more of them.

This is their modernisation they talk about. Not technology, we embrace technology and have seen more and more of it in recent years. They also wish to fire and re-hire the operative grades and bring them back under a new job title but on £9000 a year less.

They also want them to use their own vehicles to get to work sites, this when fuel is at its highest. They will also be pooled when currently they are part of the team.

The press are painting this to be about pay above all else. It is not. But now we’ve said sod them we are going to demand better. I wish everyone could see past the government controlled media smear.”


Given the same circumstances, would you go on strike?

I definitely would!
And where’s the magic money tree that is going to keep funding this? If your business (industry) isn’t making any money economies have to be made. This isn’t the Marxist 70’s where people are paid for doing nothing. Turn a profit and expect rewards, make a loss expect economies, sad fact of life to those of us in the fully private sector.
 
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anglo

LE
The first council to go bankrupt/insolvent was Northampton: Tory.

Councils get different amounts from Central gov't I think and set their council taxes.
The first council to go bankrupt/insolvent was Northampton: Tory.

In 1985, as the autumn nights drew in, 31,000 redundancy notices were sent out to council workers in Liverpool. A few months earlier, the local authority, led by Labour’s hard left faction Militant, passed an illegal budget, deliberately proposing to spend more than it had. It was an act of extraordinary defiance against Margaret Thatcher’s imposed spending restrictions. The councillors demanded central government cover the deficit, and months of chaos ensued. Councils since have preferred to inflict cuts rather than find themselves in such financial disasters.
 

UKTAP

LE
@Bravo_Bravo in left wing codswallop shocker.

The insane ramblings of someone with a wafer thin understanding of politics, but a gargantuan appetite to tell people what they should think.

Where's them money going to come from, B2 and why do you think the public should part with even more of their hard earned to fund frankly undeserved wage increases that would be on top of already exorbitant salaries?
 
@Bravo_Bravo in left wing codswallop shocker.

The insane ramblings of someone with a wafer thin understanding of politics, but a gargantuan appetite to tell people what they should think.

Where's them money going to come from, B2 and why do you think the public should part with even more of their hard earned to fund frankly undeserved wage increases that would be on top of already exorbitant salaries?
You do realise you're talking angry hoopery in CA, don't you?

Can you at least try to articulate the point that is causing you such concern?
 
Network rail is part of the DoT

Then shouldn't Shapps et al STFU & let the Companies & Unions sort it out on their own?
If Network Rail is part of the DoT, which is a Government body, shouldn't Government ie Schapps et al be involved in the Network rail part of the dispute? What am I missing?

I understand the DoT's position re TOC's as private Companies but isn't Network Rail a Public Company?
 
Never served civvy.

I’m now even lower from your standpoint!


I never thought I’d be defending strike action.
I’m a lifelong Conservative voter. I’m in the union as an insurance policy. Things can & do go wrong very quickly. One wrong decision or concentration lapse can see you standing in the dock. The union employ specialist lawyers to fight your corner, should the worst happen.
I’ve attended 2 union branch meetings in my life. Last one was 2007 when I went to raise a point I was unhappy with & where I got patronised & called ‘comrade’ & ‘brother’. I vowed to never go again.
My Wife groans when the monthly union rag appears on the doorstep. She knows I’ll be thumping the kitchen table before I even get half way through my ‘skim’ of it. I’ve started to just read the letters & obits now, for my blood pressure sake.

I wasn’t going to out myself or put my head above the parapet. But I was reading so many opinions that were completely incorrect that I felt compelled to speak up.

I’m not the sites railway corespondent & I don’t come here to argue & fall out with people.
This site is my ‘escape’ where I come get away from real life, have a laugh & usually learn something.

Therefore, I don’t wish to continue in the debate.

How’s that for a thread flounce?
Shame if you go because I learned a bit between yourself and the Signalman chap. The media are very good at mixing everything into one story without differentiating between unions, Network Rail, TOC's, and the numerous differences in T&C's between those different Companies.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
Even network rail staff are on all sorts of historic terms depending upon who employed them before they were taken back over by the not really public company NR!
 
Here in the North West Merseyrail was on strike due to a safety concern on new trains they wanted to bring in - they mostly have their own union (I am assuming ASLEF and RMT were not scouse/militant enough).

The problem was who would push the button to close the doors, the drivers or the guard. The implication of course being that in the future due to the advance of technology guards on the trains would do away with the guards (the majority of the passenger throughput is in manned/automated stations - so the need to check tickets on trains is close to minimum).

This problem has been overcome by a 7.1% pay rise.
 

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