National ID Card secure......

#4
Pop down to Tottenham Court Road and you can buy all the gear off the shelf you need to copy and produce any card.
 

LancePrivateJones

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#5
'Home Office officials said that they were working on a response to the story, and would issue a statement later today'.

I'll bet they are.
 
#6
This was a given.

If they are going to bring in Cards (Which won't be safe) they may aswell go for a 100% Fingerprints/DNA/Retina(Very futuristic :D ) records and issue everyone with a serial number at birth.
 

LancePrivateJones

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#8
Closet_Jibber said:
This was a given.

If they are going to bring in Cards (Which won't be safe) they may aswell go for a 100% Fingerprints/DNA/Retina(Very futuristic :D ) records and issue everyone with a serial number at birth.
Which it would appear, is exactly what they intend to do.

This won't go away even if the boy Cameron gets in mark my words.
 
#9
It can't go away. As much as I don't like the idea of it, its not if its when.

To fail to do so in an age where people can fly overseas for £1 plus tax would be madness. People are moving faster than we can keep track of them and this means criminals/outlaws/terrorists/(Whatever you want to call them) are too. As we rely more and more on technology to do the work for us with Online shopping and plastic cash people need to move into the new age to adapt to it all too. The benefit for the government is they can keep an eye on you.

Tin Foil hat off now :D 1984 is 25 years late. I'm off to hide in the woods as I don't trust these feckers.
 
#10
Closet_Jibber said:
It can't go away. As much as I don't like the idea of it, its not if its when.

To fail to do so in an age where people can fly overseas for £1 plus tax would be madness. People are moving faster than we can keep track of them and this means criminals/outlaws/terrorists/(Whatever you want to call them) are too. As we rely more and more on technology to do the work for us with Online shopping and plastic cash people need to move into the new age to adapt to it all too. The benefit for the government is they can keep an eye on you.

Tin Foil hat off now :D 1984 is 25 years late. I'm off to hide in the woods as I don't trust these feckers.
My bold.

Nail on head and no tin foil hat needed.

Just fact.
 
#11
which is what people have been telling them since they were thought of. this government loves to hire experts but then ignore completely any result that doesnt fit with their original idea.
a mate of mine works in security software for this kind of thing, and he mentioned a while ago there was a conference where the government proposed the planned security for the ID cards, he said their first reaction was to laugh in the ministers face as it was useless and unworkable even from a security point of view.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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#12
Mr. Jibber, you seem very trusting. Just one question - given how easy these things are to forge, and that the data will be held overseas, managed by low-paid workers in flaky outsourcing companies, just how are we going to keep criminals/outlaws/terrorists from sabotaging the system, changing the data to suit themselves?


IMHO, apart from meeting the demands of the European Identity Project, and pandering to our politicans' hatred of their own people, this will do little more than inconvenience the law-abiding, and help the lawbreakers. Maybe the Government should spend a bit more on proper policing and border control, rather than treating their law-abiding citizens with contempt? It would be cheaper, and more effective, I think.
 
#13
ID cards are just an excuse anyway.

It is the ID database that the Govt wants and ID cards are a means to expedite it.

Welcome to Stasiland (UK).
 
#14
I can remember the banks saying that ATM's could not be ripped off LOL
 
#17
Absolutely basic and fundemental flaw in the Governments ID card scheme?

If you are a forigner, you have to hand over ID to get a card.

OK, so you hand over fake ID, they have no way of checking it, so they take it at face value…

Viola!!! You now have a valid ID issued to you by HMG!
 
#18
Closet_Jibber said:
This was a given.

If they are going to bring in Cards (Which won't be safe) they may aswell go for a 100% Fingerprints/DNA/Retina(Very futuristic :D ) records and issue everyone with a serial number at birth.
I don't know why they don't just give out one single serial number, at birth/naturalisation.

Then, when your NIC comes through, it is hte same number.

When your NHS number comes through, it is the same number.

Driving licence, passport, etc.

Cuts down on the amount of leeway in the systems, which prevents frauds.
The number could be initially issued on the birth certificate (top right corner or similar) and away we go.

As for the ID Card.

THe big problem is, it is carrying too much data that a person might conceivably WANT to change.

A much better system is to use the above "One Number" idea, and connect it to a halfway descent (and therefore unobtainable by the government) system (computerised or not).

Ie. The card may now say "entitled to benefits" but the system says "No".

The ID card should just have the very basic picture, details, signature, maybe some DNA/fingerprint details. Both in logic data and physical.

No system is completely unbeatable, esp if the main part of it (the card) is handed to people willy nilly (ie mass issue).

If the data is kept on file though... different ball game. Correct audits on use can be carried out, to find out who changed details and when, why.

Then just give people the access to it (obviously on a case by case basis). Again audited.

Medical for example.

Only allow your registered doctors surgery access to your files day to day, but an overide by casualty doctors could be inserted.

Any others can only unlock with you present. It is quite easy in a lot of ways.
 
#19
We need these cards to be insecure and not generally trusted. A truly secure and unbreakable card would be a disaster for all of us.

If such a card were produced then people would believe the information on the card implicitly. So when Mr. Bad Guy or I. M. A Terrorist persuades the underpaid admin clerk to produce a new card for him, or change the details of a card, or (even worst) swap the details of two cards (i.e. Bad Guys and Yours) then the card would be believed and Mr terrorist or Mr Bad Guy would be true upstanding citizens entitled to benefits (or three or four sets of benefits, how many cards did you want) and the police should just let them carry on. You however are in the sh!te as you details are linked to an identity that has two or three hundred international warrants outstanding, all for terrorist acts, and please Mr Policemen why are you pointing that rifle at me?

The biggest security hole in any system is the people who run it, the lower they are paid the bigger the risk that someone will slip them five hundred or so, or a threat to ‘see to’ their family. Then fraudulent cards will have been produced by the real systems and procedures. They will be as real as any other officially produced card, and as such be true identities. And will be available in your local pub for a pittance.

While these cards are seen as insecure we will take the information they hold with a little scepticism. The powers that be will be more inclined to recheck the data or believe that the sixty-eight year old white woman standing in front of them is not actually the twenty-six year old Somali terrorist they’ve been hunting for.
 
#20
ferox_provincia said:
Viola!!! You now have a valid ID issued to you by HMG!

................that's music to my ears!
 

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