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seaweed

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#3
Great idea, shame about the title. Mind you I do wonder, if you had total takeup, where we would put half a million teenagers for two months. And running these camps is going to take highly imaginative activity provision and very firm leadership; the best kids could get loads out of it, the worst may just want to wreck it for everyone else. Possibly could include opportunities to get DoE awards.
 
#4
Largely pointless.

It's voluntary, so will appeal only to those youths who already have a plethora of volunteering/youth organisation options.

On the other hand it will create x number of publically funded non-jobs. So someone will benefit.
 
#5
seaweed said:
Great idea, shame about the title. Mind you I do wonder, if you had total takeup, where we would put half a million teenagers for two months. And running these camps is going to take highly imaginative activity provision and very firm leadership; the best kids could get loads out of it, the worst may just want to wreck it for everyone else. Possibly could include opportunities to get DoE awards.
Apparently the vatican offers a fantastic day care program, what's the motto "No child left behind"?... Or "behind left"
 
#6
seaweed said:
Great idea, shame about the title. Mind you I do wonder, if you had total takeup, where we would put half a million teenagers for two months. And running these camps is going to take highly imaginative activity provision and very firm leadership; the best kids could get loads out of it, the worst may just want to wreck it for everyone else. Possibly could include opportunities to get DoE awards.
My bold:

Our instructors use many of the skills they have been trained in from their military backgrounds to provide focus and direction for their students. They do not ''teach'' in the traditional sense, but create an environment in which pupils can learn. More and more schools are embracing their Skill Force teams, not only to work with the difficult to reach, but right across the student population. Because of the unique skills, qualifications and approach of our instructors, we are able to raise standards and maximise the potential of many of the students with whom we work.

This scheme IIRC basically mirrors the old 'summer camp' imo, however it also has the backing of H4H patron Prince William :wink:

There are plenty of Schools, Colleges and other similar establishments inc council sports establishments available up & down the country for the facilities, the only flaw i can see is the regular funding required strategically.

http://www.skillforce.org/skillforce.aspx?ID=73

I can still hear 'Bring back national service' from many though :)
 
#7
beemer007 said:
I can still hear 'Bring back national service' from many though :)

So can I, I can also say, with my hand on my heart that I've never heard it said by anyone who is serving.
 
#8
What a load of old Arrse!

If a young person who has left school hasn't broken the law and isn't on the state payroll through benefits then the state has no business compelling them to do anything.

I thought the Tories were supposed to respect personal liberty.
I couldn't have said it better.
Is some old duffer ready to roll out the clapped out "Lets flog the dead 'Orse of National bloody Service" Again.
 
#9
Should pay the youth a modest wage for the "national service". It would only be fair (guessing national service In the 50's was paid). Also probably be the first time in their lives they would have some spare cash. Hopefully have less people on the dole as they see the true value of actually having worth while money. Good idea
 
#10
Is this another of those, 'please dont send him down your honour, he is going to join the Army' schemes?
 
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fozzy

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#11
Biscuits_Brown said:
Largely pointless.

It's voluntary, so will appeal only to those youths who already have a plethora of volunteering/youth organisation options.

On the other hand it will create x number of publically funded non-jobs. So someone will benefit.
I agree. We already have the Scout and Guide Movement, Cadets, Boys Brigade etc. The kids that are inclined to join these worthy organisations, will anyway.

So are the unwilling going to be dragooned into it?
 

seaweed

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#13
That's why I said 'shame about the title'. This is apparently a voluntary summer camp idea. Only a complete unthinking moron, who is determinedly totally unaware of the complexity and professionalism of modern military life, would think NS in its old sense was (today) useful, affordable, or anything other than completely pointless; or in any way other than totally unhelpful to the military community, and a huge waste of time and resources for everyone involved. I fear we have (in this title) yet another glimpse of Cameron's immaturity.

Sorry about the length of that sentence but the least whisper of 'bring back NS' makes me feel ill.
 
#14
seaweed said:
That's why I said 'shame about the title'. This is apparently a voluntary summer camp idea. Only a complete unthinking moron, who is determinedly totally unaware of the complexity and professionalism of modern military life, would think NS in its old sense was (today) useful, affordable, or anything other than completely pointless; or in any way other than totally unhelpful to the military community, and a huge waste of time and resources for everyone involved. I fear we have (in this title) yet another glimpse of Cameron's immaturity.

Sorry about the length of that sentence but the least whisper of 'bring back NS' makes me feel ill.
You are spot on - but there are a great deal of morons out there with the NS view, many on Arrse sadly...
 
#15
Currently being debating on R4, the funding (£50M) for the first '2yrs' of this project will taken from the 'prevent' project? however considering this skillforce has been established since 2000 BUT only targets England & Scotland and currently working with 4000 students.

It does seem a lot of money for a project only aimed at youths for a short summer period, the cynic in me believes other organisations already mentioned by fozzy would be more beneficial considering what they have to offer & better established.
 
#16
RMP_boyio said:
Should pay the youth a modest wage for the "national service". It would only be fair (guessing national service In the 50's was paid). Also probably be the first time in their lives they would have some spare cash. Hopefully have less people on the dole as they see the true value of actually having worth while money. Good idea
16+ in college who have parents on low income get Education Maintenance Allowance (EMA) at up to £30 a week to turn up at college. Part of my job is to get the youth to do activities after school and in holidays. It is very difficult to get the 13+ out of bed before 1pm. As with most thing for the young the ones that you need to get invoved are not interested and then say there nothing to do.
 
#17
Load of bollow! Either do the NS thing right, so it has a long term impact onthe individual and the country or p1ss off. This is pure PR fluff and the sort of thing that gordon Brown warns us about when he pillories CMD. CMD obviously hasn't got the judgement to avoid stepping into this pile of poo so probably wouldn't make a good PM...
 
#18
beemer007 said:
This scheme IIRC basically mirrors the old 'summer camp' imo, however it also has the backing of H4H patron Prince William :wink:
Completly out of context I know! if William is a H4H patron i bloody well think harry should be a Hols4H patron.

Just thinking back to his most recent Tv appearance i think he is a possible replacement for HRH Prince Philip (may he live for many more years :) ).As when Harry tried to blag a place on the antartic expidition he did use on more than one occasion the phrase "of course if your NFI i'll sack it" civvis didn't have a clue but there were some wry smiles in the background.

and it made oi larf.
 
#19
Great idea.

Spend even more tax payers money, on a two month holiday so that more 16 year old girls can get banged up by a boy she can never identify and then live off the welfare state?

Dear god - children of this age go away on ACF camps and spend two weeks shagging about. What makes you think that this is not going to happen over two months?

And how much is this going to cost us?

It is going to start off voluntary and end up compulsory for all Youth. Everyone hates the name. How about they re-brand it after the tory leader? Yep, there we go, we could call it "Cameron Youth". It needs a catchy motto. It is about teenagers becoming stronger as citizens, whilst at the same time learning through tough discipline and shared physical activity. How about "Strength through Joy"?

Edited to add:

Jeesus. Reading more, they are going to get these kids doing work as part of the camp. What type of work? Is this work that should be done by the private sector? Could be done by th private sector? If so, we are robbing the economy. Is it work that would otherwise never be done? In that case, it is work that has limited value. "Come on kids - lets destroy your soul by doing mind numbing work that no-one cares about." Well, it will certainly prepare them for work in that way.
 
#20
I'm all for it, as long as Regular Forces (RN, Army and RAF) don't have to manage the scheme -we're too f-ing busy as it is, and can't cope with all the PC bollocks that will come along with that.

I'm all for making folks work for the NHS for a year for free, especially if they are conscientious objectors!
 

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