Nanny state is 'good' - Hodge

#1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-4638363,00.html?gusrc=ticker-103704

She went on: "There is a proper role for the state in helping parents in the home.

"In the past, people got support from the extended family, now they are looking elsewhere.

"(The state can be) a force for good, enabling families to do the best for their children."

"There are always tensions between the liberty of the individual and the wider interests of society, but the state has a role," she insisted.

"The Department for Education and Skills is planning a new booklet, to be given to all new parents, giving advice on child rearing, in areas such as child benefits, diet, reading, monitoring what children watch on television and sex education."



Oh dear.............its looking more like my predicted nazi state every day: "The Nazi Police State was to ensure that everybody did as they were told - or paid the price. The Nazi Police were controlled by Heinrich Himmler and his feared secret police - the Gestapo - did as it pleased in Nazi Germany. Children’s loyalty could be developed with a policy of indoctrination via education and the Hitler Youth movement."

Do parents really need to be given booklets on how new labour wants them to raise THEIR OWN CHILDREN??!! 8O
 
#2
She went on: "There is a proper role for the state in helping parents in the home.
or... The state feels that it should tell parents the (politically) "correct" way to bring up their chillins in minute detail, combined with an army of social workers to enforce it

"In the past, people got support from the extended family, now they are looking elsewhere.


Or... We have destroyed the entire concept of a coherent family so that we can replace it with said army of social workers & central govt directives, and we feel that the time is now to increase our control on people's lives

"(The state can be) a force for good, enabling families to do the best for their children."

Or, the state can be a force for it's own good, enabling social workers to indoctrinate children as if they are in some Soviet crèche

"There are always tensions between the liberty of the individual and the wider interests of society, but the state has a role," she insisted.

Or, Namby pamby civil liberties baaaaad, state über control gooooood.

"The Department for Education and Skills is planning a new booklet, to be given to all new parents, giving advice on child rearing, in areas such as child benefits, diet, reading, monitoring what children watch on television and sex education."

Which will be paid for by middle class families who can quite well bring up their own children.

Blood....Boiling....Aargh! :evil:
 
#3
Greg S said:
Do parents really need to be given booklets on how new labour wants them to raise THEIR OWN CHILDREN??!! 8O
In a word, yes. We've all seen the state of some families in this country. The state has now decided (and yes, we all know why and when the rot started), that it will do what many people want to see. Well behaved children who have respect for their elders etc.

If you want to call it national socialism or similar, so be it. However, whats the alternative? Carry on the way it is?

Remember, you need a licence to drive a car and have a firearm but any tw@t can have kids (and get paid huge amounts to keep them in filth, neglect them, not educate them etc.)
 
#4
scalieback said:
In a word, yes. We've all seen the state of some families in this country. The state has now decided (and yes, we all know why and when the rot started), that it will do what many people want to see. Well behaved children who have respect for their elders etc.
But that's not what will happen - these booklets will threaten parents with assault charges for spanking their children, tell them how much of other people's money they're entitled to, how much pocket money they should give them, tell them not to allow their children to watch fast food commercials, and a gajillion other PC things, like telling them that they should earn the respect of their kids rather than it being automatic, and tell them how many times a week their personalised social worker will visit to check on their "progress". If you believe that this will do any good whatsoever to chavscum families, think again. It will destroy middle class family values.

This is merely going to be used for crude PC social engineering.
 
#5
stoatman said:
scalieback said:
In a word, yes. We've all seen the state of some families in this country. The state has now decided (and yes, we all know why and when the rot started), that it will do what many people want to see. Well behaved children who have respect for their elders etc.
But that's not what will happen - these booklets will threaten parents with assault charges for spanking their children, tell them how much of other people's money they're entitled to, how much pocket money they should give them, tell them not to allow their children to watch fast food commercials, and a gajillion other PC things, like telling them that they should earn the respect of their kids rather than it being automatic, and tell them how many times a week their personalised social worker will visit to check on their "progress". If you believe that this will do any good whatsoever to chavscum families, think again. It will destroy middle class family values.
You've seen the booklet then? Or are you just surmising and 'scare mongereing?'
 
#6
I'm encouraging freedom of thought - parents should be responsible anyway, they've managed well enough in the past. As for the destruction of the family unit and morals in general, Labour gets a gold medal for this with the 'pc movement' and blatent encouragement of deviant homosexual behaviour (remember the RAF recruitment 'gay float' up in Manchester? Oh dear).

So are you telling me your happy with the government treating everyone like retards, basically telling them how to think and behave? Remember this 'nanny state' policy applies to adults too...

Am I scaremongering, or are the facts enough to do that job for me?
 
#7
Would this be the same Mrs Hodge who ppesided over an utter cluster when she worked for a local authority and ignored wriiten warnings about children being sexually abused in the care of the department she headed, and subsequently sought to avoid any blame or responsibilityy for her inaction?

I think this makes her unsuitable for any public office, let alone be in charge of telling any parent anything about child care.
 
#8
ViroBono said:
Would this be the same Mrs Hodge who ppesided over an utter cluster when she worked for a local authority and ignored wriiten warnings about children being sexually abused in the care of the department she headed, and subsequently sought to avoid any blame or responsibilityy for her inaction?

I think this makes her unsuitable for any public office, let alone be in charge of telling any parent anything about child care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hodge

The right honourable Margaret Hodge, born 1944 Egypt, MBE.

In 2003 she was involved in a row when she described a child abuse victim, who had been abused during her time as leader of Islington Council, as 'extremely disturbed' and was forced to apologise.



wow........we should all aspire to be of the same calibre...........not............
 
#9
I can sympathise with both sides of this argument.

I do think that some people in britian need help to bring up their children properly (like chav scum who see them as benefit cheques) or maybe jsut those who are unsure and have no access to any advice from friends or family.

However, i also agree that this is most likely being used by the looony left to indoctrinate our children (and smoe parents) into the liberal PC valuse which they see fit to impose on us. A perferct example of the liberal left doing this was the recent european parliment (or whatever it was called). Because Italys (being a strongly catholic country) chose a staunch catholic with conservative views the liberal elite decided that this did not fit with their plans and rejected his nomination, and asked for someone more to THEIR liking (never mind what the italians think, or their government for that fact). And then to make matters worse, we go and nominate a poof for our role (and not even a trustworthy one!!!)

Definetly an attempt by the loony left to indocrinate us all.


agent smith
 
#10
scalieback said:
You've seen the booklet then? Or are you just surmising and 'scare mongereing?'
Not seen, but the assumptions are fairer than expecting them to completely go against what they've done for the past 7 yrs & tell parents to instil discipline in their spawn. When it comes out, we'll see which was the more accurate predicion... 8) [/quote]
 
#11
The nanny state IS good. Helping people sort their family out will have a huge benefit down the line. Much better little Chavella and her brother, Chav, grow up with a grip on how to behave than they grow up sprouting shell suited brats of their own alles uber de platz, nicking and twocking.

Things like diet education are long overdue - the crap food industry puts millions into indoctrinatin poor kids. Why not fight back a bit?

The worry is the way NL will undoubtedly go about it - a mix of bossy boots PC stuff, private contractors running rings around the treasury, and the Ministry not listening to the people who know what they are on about. NL party hacks know best, in all cases.
 
#12
Tacit admission that New Labour's policies aimed at reducing 'disadvantage' - giving people money - are a failure.

Otherwise there would be no 'disadvantage' for Mrs Hodge to save us all from.

I say 'us all' because we too will be subjected to this - to target the disadvantaged specifically would be discriminatory. Thus the 10-15 million good parents in the country will just throw all this stuff away, and the 5-10 million bad parents will....also throw it all away.

At which point New Labour will simply begin enforcing it, like everything else.
 
#13
Greg S said:
I'm encouraging freedom of thought - parents should be responsible anyway, they've managed well enough in the past.
Have they? Hmmm, where do all these 'Chav scum' come from then?

Greg S said:
So are you telling me your happy with the government treating everyone like retards, basically telling them how to think and behave? Remember this 'nanny state' policy applies to adults too...
No, I'm saying that some people need more education than others. I don't like the state anymore than others, whether it's 'nanny' or not. However, your point is that some parents don't need educating and I wholeheartedly disagree.

Greg S said:
Am I scaremongering, or are the facts enough to do that job for me?
I don't recall saying you were scaremongering (that was Stoaty). The facts, as we all know, are not published yet.
 
#14
stoatman said:
scalieback said:
You've seen the booklet then? Or are you just surmising and 'scare mongereing?'
Not seen, but the assumptions are fairer than expecting them to completely go against what they've done for the past 7 yrs & tell parents to instil discipline in their spawn. When it comes out, we'll see which was the more accurate predicion... 8)
[/quote]

And you think the previous administration was any better on this subject? I reckon it goes back to the sixties or so. Dixon of dock green may never have existed. However, many people hark back to the age when a copper would give a scrote a clip round the ear. Worked with me 8O
 
#15
Chavs are a plague caused by a change in traditions and values (a direct abuse of freedom). Some might argue that it started in the 80's though with the 'shell suits'. Personally I blame the Spice girls and David Beckham. lol..........

Yes, as you said best to sit back and see what happens. Certainly interesting times...........
 
#16
Chavs are what happens when certain people have too much money for their own good! :twisted:

They spend it on large-bore exhausts, apocalyptic car sound systems and anything in bad taste and designed to annoy the rest of us!
 
#17
This new government pamphlet is a great start, but let's not stop there.

You need compulsory psychometric testing of school children to find out their atttitudes about various subjects, and make sure they're not being exposed to a lot of pernicious rubbish at home. Pregnant women need to be tested, too.

The testing will reveal the people who need to be started on SSRI anti-depressants and other powerful psychotropic drugs.

http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/22/215244.shtml

Cranks, who raise ridiculous objections, can be dealt with by Children's Protective Services.
 
#18
...and if you don't obey the guidelines, your little ones will be taken into care so Margaret Hodge's "friends" can "play" with them. And, if your kiddies complain later on in life about abuse, they will be labelled "disturbed". :evil:
 
#19
And what will these enforcers say in the case of parents who are hunters/shooters & therefore have guns in the house? You can guarantee that guns will be on the "baaaad" list of influences, even though studies show that children exposed to guns in a positive environment show less criminality than their peers:

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/urdel.pdf
page 18:
Gun ownership and delinquency
Adolescent ownership and use of firearms is a growing concern, and results from the Rochester study suggest the concern is well founded.
By the ninth and tenth grades, more boys own illegal guns (7 percent) than own legal guns (3 percent). Of the boys who own illegal guns, about half of the whites and African-Americans and nearly 90 percent of the Hispanics carry them on a regular basis.
Figure 13 shows a very strong relationship between owning illegal guns and
delinquency and drug use. Seventy-four percent of the illegal gunowners commit street crimes, 24 percent commit gun crimes, and 41 percent use drugs. Boys who own legal firearms, however, have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns.
The socialization into gun ownership is also vastly different for legal and illegal gunowners. Those who own legal guns have fathers who own guns for sport and hunting. On the other hand, those who own illegal guns have friends who own illegal guns and are far more likely to be gang members. For legal gunowners, socialization appears to take place in the family; for illegal gunowners, it appears to take place “on the street.”
 

Similar threads

Latest Threads

Top