Nairac attacked again

Just seen this in Belfast Telegraph.

Kingsmill victim's mother 'told Army was ordered not to patrol on day of attack' - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Aside from anything else who the hell are the 1st Bn Ulster Scots?

A mother whose son was murdered in the Kingsmill massacre was told by an Army officer that the military was ordered not to go on patrol on the day of the killings, an inquest has heard.


Esther McConville, whose son John was one of 10 Protestant workmen gunned down in Co Armagh 41 years ago, received the information a few years after his death from an officer at Bessbrook army barracks where she worked in the kitchen, a lawyer for the family said.

However, a former soldier who was based at Bessbrook, in South Armagh, at the time of the atrocity strenuously denied the claim at Belfast Coroner's Court.

The court also heard that the first person to come across the scene of the massacre has never been interviewed by police.

Charles Hughes was taking building supplies from Newry to Crossmaglen with his brother-in-law when he saw the victims' red van standing stationary at around 5.30pm on January 5 1976.

In a statement to the court Mr Hughes, who was excused from giving evidence in person due to ill health, said he originally thought there had been an accident.

He described the carnage he witnessed as he made his way towards the mini van.

"It was surrounded by dead bodies. There was no noise at all. Gerry (his brother-in-law) drove to the first farmhouse... to phone for the emergency services.

"I was alone with the bodies for what seemed like an eternity. It was probably only 15 minutes."

He said he and his brother-in-law stayed at the scene until 8.30pm to assist the emergency services.

Before he left he gave his contact details to police expecting to be contacted to give a statement.

However he added that "each time an arrangement was made to give a statement (police) never turned up".

The men were shot dead on January 5 1976 after IRA gunmen stopped their van and asked which among them was a Catholic, and instructed that man to leave the scene.

The inquest into the killings resumed last week after being adjourned in 2016 due to a police investigation.

A lawyer for the victims' families raised claims on Tuesday from the McConville family that the Army had been told not to go out on patrol on the day of the mass attack.

However, giving evidence from behind a screen a former officer with the 1st Battalion Ulster Scots, who was in charge of military operations in South Armagh in 1976, insisted: "I can categorically say this is not the case."

Referred to as MOD 2 he added: "It makes no sense. Perhaps the information was misunderstood. The Army did not tolerate no-go areas."

He said that prior to the massacre there had been a build-up of tit-for-tat killings, including a bombing in Camlough and the shootings of three brothers, John Martin, Brian and Anthony Reavey in Whitecross.

"To me it was a very intense period. We deployed as many soldiers as we could on the ground based on intellectual evidence as to where attacks might occur."

He added: "I am not aware of any areas out of bounds."

The inquest was told that the MOD will next week address questions over the whereabouts of Captain Robert Nairac at the time of the massacre.

There has been speculation that the undercover Army officer - who was abducted and murdered by the IRA in 1977 - was involved in the atrocity.

MOD 2 said that prior to attending the inquest he checked with the intelligence officer at the time if Captain Nairac had been in Northern Ireland in January 1976.

"He confirmed he had never come to Bessbrook. He was not in the province at that time. He did not come until May or June (1976)," he said.

A lawyer for the Coroner's office said a witness will give evidence next week in relation to Captain Nairac's movements at the time.
 

DaManBugs

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"For whatever reason, over the years there has been a wall of silence about the location of his remains and his former regiment want his remains back and more importantly, his two elderly sisters."

Bit odd isn't it?
I find it odd too. After almost 40 years since his murder, I can't understand what keeping secret what happened to him would bring to those who could disclose the information. Then again, it might be just sheer bloody-mindedness on their part.

MsG
 

offog

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I find it odd too. After almost 40 years since his murder, I can't understand what keeping secret what happened to him would bring to those who could disclose the information. Then again, it might be just sheer bloody-mindedness on their part.

MsG
The body may indicate how much he was torchered before they killed murdered him.
 
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I find it odd too. After almost 40 years since his murder, I can't understand what keeping secret what happened to him would bring to those who could disclose the information. Then again, it might be just sheer bloody-mindedness on their part.

MsG

Some people just don't want to talk about the deaths during the troubles, there is some bloke on ARRSE who wont clarify how 4 or 5 of his family were topped by the British army in 1975 and 1978 for example.
 

DaManBugs

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Some people just don't want to talk about the deaths during the troubles, there is some bloke on ARRSE who wont clarify how 4 or 5 of his family were topped by the British army in 1975 and 1978 for example.
Objective of the thread - to discuss the reluctance of certain parties to disclose the location of the body of Captain Nairac (PBUH).

spackerman's objective - to selfishly derail the thread just to get in a few of his moronic, playground licks at Bugsy.

MsG
 
Some people just don't want to talk about the deaths during the troubles, there is some bloke on ARRSE who wont clarify how 4 or 5 of his family were topped by the British army in 1975 and 1978 for example.
Objective of the thread - to discuss the reluctance of certain parties to disclose the location of the body of Captain Nairac (PBUH).

spackerman's objective - to selfishly derail the thread just to get in a few of his moronic, playground licks at Bugsy.

MsG
Stop being a lying internet troll then, you bullshitting decrepit old prick.
 

DaManBugs

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Stop being a lying internet troll then, you bullshitting decrepit old prick.
Objective of the thread - to discuss the reluctance of certain parties to disclose the location of the body of Captain Nairac (PBUH).

Pile_Screwers objective - to selfishly derail the thread just to get in a few of his moronic, playground licks at Bugsy.

MsG
 
Objective of the thread - to discuss the reluctance of certain parties to disclose the location of the body of Captain Nairac (PBUH).

spackerman's objective - to selfishly derail the thread just to get in a few of his moronic, playground licks at Bugsy.

MsG

******* hell Bugsy, you are a bit touchy (and not just with young children), all I said was some people don't like to talk about the deaths during the troubles, I only used you as an example because you never have clarified how your family got topped twice.
 
The body may indicate how much he was torchered before they murdered him.

I think this is probably near the mark. There’ll be something which shows the IRA guys up for the subhuman animals they were / are. If not signs of torture then it’ll be something like the complete destruction of the body.
 
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As for the Ulster Scots....fookin nails they were, and so sneaky beaky that even today, over 40 years later, there's nothing known of them and no record of the regt even existing.....see...fookin nails.
 

Slime

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The body may indicate how much he was torchered before they killed him.

Any chance you can edit that to 'murdered him'
 

skid2

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Nairac, got around. The Three Steps Inn. The Kingsmills shooting as above and the Miami showband murders. He’s been linked to all of them usually by a republican source when they need to get the PR machine rolled out.


Edit. Damn. How did they find out about the 1st Bn The Ulster Scots?
I thought we’d got away with that one. Someone’s head’s going to roll
 

Slime

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@offog

Thanks for the edit :)
It's only a word but I'm never keen on legitimising/legalising the acts of PIRA.
 
I recall the late Martin McGuinness attempted to act as an interlocutor in dealing with South Armagh PIRA and Slab Murphy in particular when attempting to bring a conclusion to this ongoing affair.
However Slab's fiefdom is structured within the ranks of PIRA's robbery and murder division, he holds a particular influence.
I sincerely doubt that there will be any public awareness made of Robert's resting place until Slab's demise, whether it be in the physical sense or his influence within The Mob.
 
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I recall the late Martin McGuinness attempted to act as an interlocutor in dealing with South Armagh PIRA and Slab Murphy in particular when attempting to bring a conclusion to this ongoing affair.
However Slab's fiefdom is structured within the ranks of PIRA's robbery and murder division, he holds a particular influence.
I sincerely doubt that there will be any public awareness made of Robert's resting place until Slab's demise, whether it be in the physical sense or his influence within The Mob.
It must be some comfort to those who knew him that, however short his life, he left his mark. There is a photograph of him in Vincent’s Club, Oxford, and his name is still held in high regard by the OUABC.
This was written only recently:-
A Tribute To Robert Nairac
 

Dwarf

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"For whatever reason, over the years there has been a wall of silence about the location of his remains and his former regiment want his remains back and more importantly, his two elderly sisters."

Bit odd isn't it?
Why would his former regiment want his two elderly sisters?

I take it there wouldn't be any prosecutions over this after so long, so I imagine the main reason is that someone doesn't want to be linked to this. Perhaps for reasons suggested.

I think the point made that we will have to wait for the passing of a certain generation is a very real one, though by the time it happens most of the questions that need clearing up will only be annecdotal.
 

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