NAAFI/EFI staff

#1
Whats the score with NAAFI/EFI personnel on Ops? Judging by their website, some become members of the TA and gain rank due to being NAAFI staff. Couple of questions.

1. Who pays for their 'mil training'? One of the video interviews suggests they do basic training at Bulford or all over the country. What does this consist of and why do they need to do weapon training?

2. What rules do they come under if in fact they are members of the TA but only NAAFI/EFI? Mil law?

3. If captured, under GC, are they given POW status? They seem to have the choice of being uniformed dependant on location-TA or not.

Have the NAAFI formed their own milita?

Any NAAFI/EFI drones out there who can give me some answers please?
 
#2
They used to have rank equivalents to their system rather than the Army Shop asst = Cpl, assistant manager = Sgt , area Manager = WO2 or something like that. Their basic was just that basic not even the same as the TA Basic just a bit of first Aid, WHT etc.

They had to sign on as TA to deploy to Operational Areas as we had a no civvies policy but that was back in the old days.
 
#3
As far as I know EFI (Expeditionary Forces Institute) is the military branch of NAAFI.

One of them got the DSM in the Falklands for manning action stations with GPMG rather than throwing stale pasties at pucara jets.
 
#5
NAAFI personnel can also join the Expeditionary Forces Institute (EFI), which provides NAAFI facilities in war zones. EFI personnel are members of the Territorial Army serving on special engagements, bear ranks and wear uniform
From that I presume their training comes out of the TA budget.

Why do you fancy it as as your next assignment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy,_Army_and_Air_Force_Institutes

Edit to add
cbgramc said:
Is that the Distinguished Serving Medal?
Yep, same link as above.


Petty Officer John Steven Leake, NCS canteen manager in HMS Ardent, was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal (DSM) in the 1982 Falklands War for his courage while manning a machine gun.
 
#7
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
why do they need to do weapon training?
The naafi is akin to Sangin when they run out of pies for the REME.
 
#9
AIUI they are sponsered reserves rather than "ordinary TA" so their employer pays their costs - although since its the NAAFI paying thats still, sort of, us.

The same as TA, when mobilised they are subject to Millitary law

They are millitary so have POW status, although so do MoD civil servants in theatre, the only difference is you could deliberatly shoot the EFI manager, you could only incidently target the Civil Servant. Not that our current opFor really care about LOAC. The main advantage is that your can guarantee to get sposered reserves by activating them
 
#11
Here is a link which will explain a lot of what you are after http://www.jobsatnaafi.co.uk/

EDITED AFTER RE READING THE ORIGINAL POST.


EFI staff are normaly recruited from existing NAAFI staff and are EFI for a normal 6 month tour, but can choose to stay on permenantly.
many EFI and NAAFI are ex forces but those who arnt need basic weapon handling and first aid for obvious reasons,EFI,s are usually in a rear echelon but its still a war Zone. As for funding the NAAFI is government run.
 
#12
The women are particularly skilled. The fat and ugly ones could be found hanging seductively round the EFI pool tables with the part timing c*nts and the ones whose bottoms had yet to go South and who still retained a doe eyed look were to be found in the contractors lair, being speared nightly and securing five finger discounts for the boys
 
#13
cantbearsed2 said:
Here is a link which will explain a lot of what you are after http://www.jobsatnaafi.co.uk/
Perhaps I'd better explain how this works:

A serving (or ex-serving ) member asks a question based on something from his serving life. Immediately those who have never served swarm all over the thread giving everyone the benefit of two years war gaming / paintballing / cadet balling / re-enactment and their inside knowledge.
One or two of the serving or ex might pontificate on their experience and use this to either abuse the original poster or the subject of the question.
At no time does anyone want to refer to the truth or have any logical means of solving the conundrum at their disposal. If you want answers fcuk off to ask Jeeves with your links and sensible attitudes, this is ARRSE, the truth has no place here Tubbs!
 
#14
Markintime said:
I always thought that the EFI came under the RAOC TA, didn't they use to wear the RAOC Stable Belt? Substitute RLC now of course now they've been demoted to a TLA.
Hi - been lurking for years and finally something's come up I know a bit about!

Yep, MiT, you're right! I joined EFI in mid-80s (direct and no NAAFI "shop/club" experience); we joined the TA, were attested to be "regulars" and most of us were given full-screw rank.

Basically, no-one could tell we weren't RAOC - same cap badge/stable belt etc.

I spent six months in sunny Port Stanley, living on Coastel II and working in a warehouse on that huge floating dock down there (FIPASS) alongside RAOC and RCT stevedores - had a great laugh!

"Basic" was very basic for me - I did about 5hrs marching up and down and running (in my own time) - the only weapons handling I did was firing a few mags out of a Sterling SMG on the ranges down there...more of a danger to ourselves than any Argie :D
 
#15
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
2. What rules do they come under if in fact they are members of the TA but only NAAFI/EFI? Mil law?

They're "relevant civilians" under the terms of the Armed Forces Act 06 and are subject to military law.
 
#16
Markintime said:
cantbearsed2 said:
Here is a link which will explain a lot of what you are after http://www.jobsatnaafi.co.uk/
Perhaps I'd better explain how this works:

A serving (or ex-serving ) member asks a question based on something from his serving life. Immediately those who have never served swarm all over the thread giving everyone the benefit of two years war gaming / paintballing / cadet balling / re-enactment and their inside knowledge.
One or two of the serving or ex might pontificate on their experience and use this to either abuse the original poster or the subject of the question.
At no time does anyone want to refer to the truth or have any logical means of solving the conundrum at their disposal. If you want answers fcuk off to ask Jeeves with your links and sensible attitudes, this is ARRSE, the truth has no place here Tubbs!

This isnt the NAAFI bar and i am also ex serving and now work for NAAFI and was only giving my tuppence worth,cheers for your bollocks attitude anyway.
 
#17
cantbearsed2 said:
Markintime said:
cantbearsed2 said:
Here is a link which will explain a lot of what you are after http://www.jobsatnaafi.co.uk/
Perhaps I'd better explain how this works:

A serving (or ex-serving ) member asks a question based on something from his serving life. Immediately those who have never served swarm all over the thread giving everyone the benefit of two years war gaming / paintballing / cadet balling / re-enactment and their inside knowledge.
One or two of the serving or ex might pontificate on their experience and use this to either abuse the original poster or the subject of the question.
At no time does anyone want to refer to the truth or have any logical means of solving the conundrum at their disposal. If you want answers fcuk off to ask Jeeves with your links and sensible attitudes, this is ARRSE, the truth has no place here Tubbs!

This isnt the NAAFI bar and i am also ex serving and now work for NAAFI and was only giving my tuppence worth,cheers for your balls attitude anyway.
It's called humour, you should try it sometime.
 
#18
They often do the civilian pre-deployment course at Chilwell rather than military training. Chilwell provides all civilians going out to theatre with a fairly basic 3-4 day package of lectures, practical demos and introductions to theatre life, as well as covering the sort of essentials they'd need to know (emergency first aid, how to take cover, how to make weapons safe but not fire them).
 
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#19
Markintime said:
cantbearsed2 said:
Here is a link which will explain a lot of what you are after http://www.jobsatnaafi.co.uk/
Perhaps I'd better explain how this works:

A serving (or ex-serving ) member asks a question based on something from his serving life. Immediately those who have never served swarm all over the thread giving everyone the benefit of two years war gaming / paintballing / cadet balling / re-enactment and their inside knowledge.
One or two of the serving or ex might pontificate on their experience and use this to either abuse the original poster or the subject of the question.
At no time does anyone want to refer to the truth or have any logical means of solving the conundrum at their disposal. If you want answers fcuk off to ask Jeeves with your links and sensible attitudes, this is ARRSE, the truth has no place here Tubbs!
As I have no idea what those txt sk TLAs mean I'll just say, laughed out loud, well done.

IMD
 
#20
Did anyone whos pants are not on fire ever do the big fat f*cker with black hair at the EFI up near the prison at the COB? Circa 06-07 she drank more sperm than Marc Almond the filthy pig....I picked up a crate of tonic water from her once and she gave me an unitentionally tantalising whiff of her rotten armpits
 
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