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N Korean nuclear strike could cause chaos in US

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Kromeriz, Jul 16, 2017.

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  1. Agreed. However, if Fat Boy managed to hit the US mainland with a Nuke, I can see the Americans having a complete sense of humour failure and the gloves well and truly coming off. Thankfully, especially given who currently sits in the Oval Office, the North Koreans are a considerable way from developing that capability.
     
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  2. Try Eric L Harry, either ARC LIGHT, or PROTECT AND DEFEND.
     
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  3. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    If USA attack DPRK with risk to millions of US-citisens, it means that US-leaders don't think in regime of "usual predators agression" - comparing potentional losses, dépenses and benefits, becouse there are no economical benefits (even all DPRK's REM's), that can pay off such destructions and losses.

    So, if USA will attack DPRK with risk lost LA, it mean they want win or save not money, but more that few cities. Really it mean preparing on attack against Russia and/or China. Our leaders are not so stupid to not understand that, and it mean that Russia and China will be automatically involved in war.
    So, most predictable scenario:
    1) USA (without official permission of Japan and RK) attack DPRK with conventional weapon. It can be strong strike, but not deadly, becouse USA just have no enough forces to crush and occupy DPRK in the short time.
    2) DPRK demolish Seul with conventional weapons, start evacuation of cities and mobilisation.
    3) Russia and China send volonteers to protect DPRK, also start massive "drills" of evacuation and mobilisation. In RK and Japan - anti-USA protests, and not only peaceful.
    4) USA can stop, and pay big reparations, but also can try to crush North Korean, Chines and Russian Armies in conventional warfare. I very doubt they can do it, but let's imagine, that they are successful in the first stages and come to Pyongyang. They also start evacuation of main cities and mobilisation of Army. Pyongyang is not Mosul, Yanks will need more forces.
    5) To this moment all Russian and Chines cities are evacuated, Armies are mobilisated, allies are informed, new alliances are established and DPRK's (or may be not DPRK's) submarine send one megaton on LA. Last chance for USA (and any of their allies) to stop and pay very-very big reparations. If not - massive exchange of nuclear strikes, and big war on all theatres.
     
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  5. It's all hypothetical, a bit like your spelling. Nobody knows how it will pan out, same as in the south China sea.
     
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  6. Is this Fat boys best bet - Aim close enough to Exploit the EMP effects but don't actually nuke the US per se

    Cause chaos but No (direct) US casualties - in the face of world opinion and of course the unpleasant atmospheric effects - would the US justify** a conventional response.


    **I mean justify - carefully put forward a case not to go nuclear lest anyone else think they can get away with said antics.
     
  7. Probably a systemetic destrucition of fat boi’s infrastructure, via B2, TLAM etc. If china bumps its gums remind them that the yanks could have went Nuclear.
     
  8. A high altitude, low yield burst off the Californian coast then?
     
  9. I do not recall the US shutting down for several months after that.
     
  10. In his mind they did.
     
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  11. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    There are rule in modern world - "Nuclear states should not directly fight each other".
    If Yanks will raise a bets to attack another nuclear state (with risk of hundreds thousands causalities) - Russia and China will raise bets too. No doubts.
     
  12. Well, they say there is a first time for everything, it's only you that comes on here posting about how Vlad is going to nuke NATO, and all the rest of it. So, just like it always was in the past, it's your lot that are raising the stakes.
     
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  13. Causality?

    Physics: Cause and Effect - Causality is the relationship between causes and effects. It is considered to be fundamental to all natural science, especially physics. Causality is also a topic studied from the perspectives of philosophy and statistics.

    or:

    Catholicism: Causality, Primary and Secondary. In the history of Christian thought, the philosopher Thomas Aquinas refers to God as the "Primary Cause" of the being of everything; Aquinas refers to creatures as "secondary causes" whose activity reaches particular aspects and depends on divine action.


    Neither option is relevant, unless you're on about 'going Old Testament' on someone's arse, which still wouldn't make sense, as Thomas Aquinas lived in the mid 13th Century.
     
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  14. As pointed out earlier, the yanks did do tests on the use of a nuke as an EMP weapon. There is a reason why that research was limited, they found out it didn't actually do much (see previous about a few street lights in Hawaii being knocked out).

    So I'm questioning these "effects", even (especially) with modern electronics and shielding.
     
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