N Korean nuclear strike could cause chaos in US

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by DesktopCommando, Mar 26, 2013.

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  1. The US didn't set up any zones around the areas they were testing nukes in the Pacific? Have ships patrolling and declaring these zones?

    We know what has happened since and the compensation paid out but my point stands ie that Tubby III lobbing nukes in the Pacific is not exactly the same as the US Bikini Atoll tests for example. The knowledge on nuclear explosions in the 40s, 50s and 60s is the same as now?
    Read plenty thanks. What is quite common throughout is that appeasement doesn't work. Do you have an example where it has?
    So the tests in Nevada and the subsequent test bans mean nothing and Tubby III should be allowed to pick a spot in the Pacific, lob a missile at it (flying over whatever country/ies he wants, so long as its not Russia or China) and detonate it wherever he deems reasonable? That the international community should ignore such actions?

    I guess we have different views on what is and is not acceptable practice.
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  2. Or Putin is quite happy to have this distraction going on at the other side of Russia, as it keeps attention away from his own illegal actions in the west.
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  3. If (and it’s a big if) Putin does have enough influence over Tubby III to make him stop developing and testing nukes with their respective missiles in accordance with UNSC Resolutions and if (again a big if) Russia and China could guarantee a plan that would ensure the sovereignty of the DPRK acceptable to all parties. If a plan similar but stronger than the JCPOA and Iran allowing unfettered access and impromptu visits could be put in place then there’d have to be some quid pro quo.

    They may have concerns about Mattis moving his drinks cabinet up to the Russian and Chinese borders but it’s unlikely to happen. If it did, the military effort would dwarf GW1 and 2. Day 108, still trying to find Tubby III and resistance in the tunnels remains strong.....

    Putin wants the sanctions lifting and Crimea recognised as being part of Russia. That may be on the table if (and it’s a huge if, Putin actually has the above kind of influence with Tubby III), but we all know what would happen then. Putin and negotiating deals along with keeping promises is pretty much a none starter. Still, if he does get him to give up his nukes and have a robust inspection plan along with sovereignty guarantees ....... Its a lot of very big if’s
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  4. U.N. bans four ships over North Korea contraband, U.S. delays four more
    Four ships blacklisted by the UNSC sanctions Cttee, including the Egyptian seized arms shipment from 2016 and four more being investigated:
    The other four and a possible fifth:
  5. North Korean spies have apparently obtained a large number of secret military documents from South Korea, including the latest South Korea-US operational plans. South Korea
    The amount of data is supposedly 235 gigabytes, which sounds like a lot. It apparently took place just over a year ago. It's not clear from the story whether the South Koreans have only now just discovered it, or whether they're only now just admitting it.
    The South Koreans have not yet identified 80 percent of what was lost.
    North Korea naturally denies everything. However, since what we're talking about is exactly the sort of thing that every country's spies get paid to do, I think we can take the denial as a formality.
    Among the items the South Koreans do know were lost though were the plans for killing Kim Un "if a crisis breaks out or appears imminent".
    The US has said they are aware of the reports but refused to comment on them.
    It would be fascinating if some tit bits from those plans were to be leaked on line. I would be particularly interested to see if US political assassination methods have evolved beyond the exploding cigars they wanted to use on Castro.
  6. It's interesting in that fatty was harking on about he had proof that the Yanks were going to kill him a few months back.
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  7. He's been burping on about everyone wanting to off him for years, and I'd be shocked if any "major" country, including the UK, did not have any sort of plan to remove Wee Phat from the face of the earth.
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  8. The ‘theft’ of plans were mentioned earlier in the thread: N Korean nuclear strike could cause chaos in US

    It’s no surprise that RoK have plans to bump Tubby III off in time of war. Apparently they have a whole RoK SF Bde tasked with finding and taking out DPRK leadership if it kicks off. Whether they would find him, his sister and other C3 locations is a seperate matter.

    They have six SF Bde’s according to Wiki: Special Forces Brigades of the Republic of Korea - Wikipedia As RoK is just a puppet of the US according to DPRK, you can see how the rhetoric would name the US.

    Maybe there’s a deck of cards of DPRK head shed as well :)
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  9. Mr Happy

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    They all look the same to me..
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  10. :) there's some wheat and chaff I wouldn't mind sorting:

  11. Interesting take on negotiation with DPRK, and trust in the USA, over nuclear powerstations.

    'President Bill Clinton warned removing the rods was grounds for war. However, with the help of former US President Jimmy Carter, who was sent to Pyongyang, the Agreed Framework was signed with Kim Jong-il.

    'The US agreed to send light-water reactors to the North in exchange for the country singing the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

    'There was just one problem.

    ' “North Korea kept its side of the bargain,” Kaplan writes.

    ' “The United States did not. No light-water reactors were provided. (South Korea and Japan were supposed to pay for the reactors; they didn’t, and the US Congress didn’t step in.) Nor was any progress made on diplomatic recognition.” '

    Trump said negotiating with North Korea hasn’t worked, he was wrong
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  12. Now that's stretching reality quite a bit, even for an Australian report.
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  13. Not quite:
  14. There was a discussion further back in this thread based on documents written by someone with in depth technical expertise who took part in the original process.

    The problem boiled down to the US president didn't have the political support in the US congress and senate to follow through on the commitments the US had made. Opposing political forces in the US wanted to undermine the agreement, more for domestic political reasons (opposing the US president for the sake of opposing him) than on its own merits, and they succeeded in that.

    The North Koreans had gone so far as to have started on demolishing part of their larger nuclear reactors, which was part their side of the bargain. When the US reneged on the deal, the North Koreans stopped doing their side of things and they started pursuing the uranium enrichment program which is their current path to building bombs. They also recently started work on repairing those reactors.

    There was however a fundamental problem with the premise of the negotiations. The North Koreans were looking for a general resolution to their differences with the US, while the US was only interested in stopping the North Koreans from building nuclear weapons. With that sort of difference in objectives, the deal would not likely have outlasted a change of leadership in the US once the North had dismantled their reactors and the US thus having everything they wanted out of it.
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  15. I love the slant on things taken, which completely ignores the transgressions by DPRK in the run up to the scrapping of the agreement. You know, like the fact they admitted they were still developing nuclear weapons in violation of the agreement, and them firing a "satellite launch rocket" over Japan (which led to Japan pulling out of the reactor deal, that's the reason they didn't pony up the money), not fully declaring all stocks of things like plutonium, and so on, it's all the fault of the US.

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