N Korean nuclear strike could cause chaos in US

Talk about talks is cheap.

The talks at Panmonjun started when???

Do remind us how long they have been going...and with what result?
 
South Korea says troop talks deadlocked as U.S. demands 'unacceptable' funding increase | Reuters
RoK and the US are still discussing the payment to the US of stationing 28K+ US troops in the south. The previous agreement expired last year. The US is looking for a 50% or so increase in payments, most of which apparently goes to the 8,700 S Korean civilians who run the bases.

I'm not sure on the pay of the civilians as the $848 million payment implies they're paid nearly $100,000 each (9,7471.26). Good money if you can get it I suppose. If the deal isn't struck, they'll be putting the S Korean employees on leave after April:
At their last meeting, in December, the United States made a “sudden, unacceptable” demand that South Korea pay more than 1.4 trillion won per year, about 1.5 times its current contribution, according to Hong Young-pyo, a senior ruling party legislator.

Foreign Minister Kang Kyung-wha briefed a group of lawmakers on the talks on Monday. Any deal is subject to parliamentary approval.

“The negotiations were deadlocked,” Hong told a meeting with lawmakers. “The U.S. side suddenly made a proposal at the last stage which was difficult for us to accept.”
RoK negotiators are looking at a five year deal and no more than 1Tn Won (currently 960Bn Won) a year:
When asked about the U.S. demand on Monday, Kang declined to specify numbers but said there was a “very big difference” in the positions between the two countries.

“We’ll work to reach an agreement that’s reasonable, affordable and explainable to the National Assembly and the people,” Kang told reporters.

Kang Seok-ho, another lawmaker who attended the foreign minister’s briefing, said the government’s stance was not to pay more than 1 trillion won a year and an agreement should be valid for five years, not one year as reportedly sought by the United States.
 
Did anyone seriously believe otherwise.
NORTH KOREA WARNING: Kim Jong-un will NOT give up nuclear weapons - shock report

...well I suppose there were one or two.
Given the number of people on this thread who've explained regime survival is exactly the reason DPRK pursued its nuclear weapons programme and would want to see concrete actions in response to any concessions, it's not exactly news they have no plans to unilaterally denuclearise.

However, it said Kim conditioned progress on "practical actions" by the United States and added that Pyongyang had in the past tied the idea of denuclearisation to changes in diplomatic ties, economic sanctions, and military activities.
 
Plans for Trumps next meeting with Kim Jong-un are currently being finalized.
Despite warnings, Trump forges ahead with plans for North Korea summit | CBC News
The United States and North Korea are finalizing plans for another peace summit between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un, ...
Summit details are supposed to be announced soon. An American official is presently on his way to North Korea to arrange the agenda.
Stephen Biegun, Trump's special envoy, is on his way to North Korea today to hammer out the agenda. The president is expected to announce the summit details during his State of the Union address to Congress this evening.
The meeting will reportedly take place in Da Nang, Vietnam in late February.
(Numerous media reports suggest that it will take place in Da Nang, Vietnam, in late February.)
The story also includes a re-hash of recent North Korean nuclear developments. There doesn't appear to be anything new there hasn't already been discussed on this thread so I have left that aspect out of this post. That though may be worth reading for those who want an up to date summary on that issue.
 
South Korean sources have said the US and North Korea will meet ahead of the leaders summit taking place near the end of this month.
U.S., North Korean officials to meet in Asia ahead of summit | CBC News
The United States and North Korea will meet again this month in an unidentified Asian country ahead of their leaders' planned second summit in Vietnam in late February, South Korean officials said Sunday.
The U.S. special representative for North Korea, Stephen Biegun, visited Pyongyang last week to work out details of the Feb. 27-28 summit in Hanoi between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.
A South Korean national security advisor said that the US-North Korean diplomacy efforts are "working well".
South Korea's national security adviser Chung Eui-yong, who met Biegun, reported that U.S.-North Korea diplomacy "is working well," presidential spokesperson Kim Eui-kyeom said. He said a follow-up U.S.-North Korea meeting ahead of the summit will take place in a third country in Asia in the week that begins Feb. 17.
 
Kim's train has left for Vietnam on his way to his meeting with Trump.
North Korea's Kim begins train journey to Hanoi for summit with Trump | CBC News
North Korean leader Kim Jong-un set off by train for Vietnam on Saturday, for his second summit with U.S. President Donald Trump scheduled for next week, Russia's TASS news agency reported.
It sounds like Kim may also be engaging in meetings with the Vietnamese government while he is there as well.
Vietnam's foreign ministry announced earlier on Saturday that Kim would make an official visit to Vietnam in "coming days" at the invitation of Nguyen Phu Trong, the president and general secretary of the Southeast Asian nation's ruling Communist Party.
The meeting with Trump is scheduled for the 27th to 28th of February.
The summit with Trump is scheduled for Feb. 27-28.
 
The following basically sums up to the US is trying to downplay expectations from the upcoming summit meeting between Kim and Trump.
'Denuclearization' a question mark as Trump, White House manage expectations for 2nd Kim summit | CBC News
U.S. President Donald Trump is trying to manage expectations for his second summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, predicting a "continuation of the progress" made last time they met.
The US are hoping for forward steps, but are not making any predictions on what may come out of the talks.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Fox News Sunday that he was hoping for a "substantive step forward." But, he cautioned, "it may not happen, but I hope that it will."
"President Trump has also said this is going to take time. There may have to be another summit. We may not get everything done this week," Pompeo said.
The official US position is to say that they hope for progress, but as a matter of negotiating strategy are not talking about steps they hope to see.
Pompeo said he hoped to put a "road map" in place, but would not discuss the possibility of declaring a formal end to the Korean War or pulling some American troops from South Korea, in keeping with his stand against publicly discussing issue that could arise during the negotiations.
 
Vietnam is scrambling to prepare for the Kim-Trump meeting in Hanoi. Apparently they were given only 10 days notice that they would be hosting it. Vietnam vows 'maximum level' security for Trump-Kim summit | CBC News
With North Korean leader Kim Jong-un on an armoured train barrelling through China toward Vietnam's capital, and U.S. President Donald Trump about to board a jet for Hanoi, Vietnamese officials scrambled Monday to finish preparation for a rushed summit that will capture global attention.
Officials in Hanoi said they had about 10 days to prepare for the summit — much less than the nearly two months they said Singapore was given for the first Trump-Kim meeting last year— but still vowed to provide airtight security for two leaders.
Vietnam will be using the occasion to show off the economic development which has taken place there in recent years.
Vietnam is eager to show off its huge economic and development improvements since the destruction of the Vietnam War, ...
However, a couple of comedians who impersonate Kim have been deported, as the Vietnamese sense of humour is apparently in short supply at this moment.
... but the country also tolerates no dissent and is able to provide the kind of firm hand not allowed by more democratic potential hosts. Take the reaction to two men impersonating Kim and Trump who'd been posing for pictures with curious onlookers ahead of the summit.
Last week, the Kim lookalike, whose name is Lee Howard Ho Wun, posted on Facebook that about 15 police or immigration officers demanded a mandatory "interview" and threatened him with deportation. He said officials later told him that his visa was invalid and he had to leave the country.
"I feel a little bit annoyed," the Hong Kong-based impersonator, who uses the name Howard X, said as he checked out of his hotel. "But what is to be expected of a one-party state with no sense of humour?"
Kim is currently travelling in a train through China, and there will be a travel ban along the route in Vietnam where Kim is expected to arrive.
Vietnam has also announced an unprecedented traffic ban along a possible arrival route of for Kim. The Communist Party's Nhan Dan newspaper quoted the Roads Department as saying the ban will affect the 169-kilometre stretch of Highway One from Dong Dang, on the border with China, to Hanoi.
 
The Trump-Kim meeting in Vietnam has started off on a positive note. Trump, Kim strike positive tone for 2nd summit in Vietnam | CBC News
U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un struck a positive tone as they begin their second summit in Vietnam.
The two leaders exchanged handshakes, laughs and some small talk Wednesday at the Sofitel Legend Metropole Hanoi.
"I thought the first summit was a great success and I think this one, hopefully, will be equal or greater than the first," Trump told reporters.
Speaking through an interpreter, Kim said Wednesday he is "confident of achieving the great results that everyone will welcome" during the summit.
There of course are no real details at this time as to what is being discussed.
 
Most of the media seem to think themselves negotiation experts and are pouring scorn on Donald Trump despite far more progress than possibly any POTUS since the Korean War. How dare he think he can succeed when Obama, Bush and Clinton didn't. As DT said, they would have been annoyed if he had come back with a bad deal. Small steps. Long game. I think he deserves some credit.
 
Most of the media seem to think themselves negotiation experts and are pouring scorn on Donald Trump despite far more progress than possibly any POTUS since the Korean War. How dare he think he can succeed when Obama, Bush and Clinton didn't. As DT said, they would have been annoyed if he had come back with a bad deal. Small steps. Long game. I think he deserves some credit.
I'm prepared to give him a chance to succeed, given that nobody else before him was able to do any better. From what the actual nuclear experts have said (quoted in previous posts in this thread) a genuine nuclear deal is something that will take many years, so anyone who claims to be "surprised" at the supposed current lack of results either doesn't understand the situation or is being disingenuous. The present government of South Korea also strongly supports the current approach, and their diplomatic efforts in this should not be underestimated either.
 
It appears that in the case of North Korea, "no deal is better than a bad deal", or something like that. No deal reached between Trump, Kim at 2nd summit | CBC News
The two sides have ended the current rounds of talks with no announced milestones having been reached.
Trump, in a news conference after the abrupt end to the talks, said the breakdown occurred over North Korea's insistence that all punishing sanctions the U.S. had imposed on North Korea be lifted without Pyongyang committing to eliminate its entire nuclear arsenal.
"Sometimes you have to walk," Trump explained, adding that an agreement was "ready to sign."
"I'd much rather do it right than do it fast," the president said. "We're in position to do something very special."
The two sides offer differing accounts of the discussion. According to the US, North Korea wanted all sanctions removed before dismantling their nuclear arsenal, while North Korea said they were only looking for partial removal of sanctions.
North Korea's foreign minister later disputed Trump's explanation for the summit's collapse, saying the country only asked for partial relief of U.S. sanctions.
North Korea said their offer included dismantling of their plutonium and uranium material production facilities, while being observed by US experts.
Minister Ri Yong-ho also told a news conference that Pyongyang had offered to permanently dismantle all its nuclear material production, including plutonium and uranium observed by U.S. experts, but Washington insisted they take one more step beyond dismantling its Yongbyon nuclear complex.
Trump said he wanted the "right deal" rather than needing to have a deal right now.
In something of a role reversal, Trump deliberately ratcheted down some of the pressure on Pyongyang, abandoning his fiery rhetoric and declaring he wanted the "right deal" over a rushed agreement.
Kim said that if he wasn't willing to dismantle their nuclear facilities, he wouldn't be at the meeting.
For his part, Kim, when asked whether he was ready to denuclearize, said "If I'm not willing to do that I won't be here right now."
Trump said that progress had been made, and that he believes that a deal can still be reached.
But he insisted that relations with Kim remained warm, stressed that progress had been made and said he was still hopeful of eventually reaching a deal to denuclearize North Korea.
Moscow said they felt things were encouraging, but that the situation in North Korea was not something that could be solved quickly.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters Moscow is encouraged by the fact the negotiations did not break down completely, but lamented the lack of "small steps" and flexibility that could have helped to achieve some progress.
Peskov says the North Korean nuclear program is a complicated issue that is "impossible to solve in one go."
Beijing said that they felt there has been a significant improvement in the overall situation in the Korean Peninsula in the past year.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang said during a regular news briefing Thursday that the situation in the Korean Peninsula experienced a significant "turnaround" over the past year, a "hard-won result" that is worth cherishing.
Seoul said that what it was unfortunate that the current meeting did not produce tangible results, they expect to see dialogue to continue.
Meanwhile, South Korea's presidential office said it was "unfortunate" that Trump and Kim failed to produce an agreement, but said it expects "active dialogue" to continue between Washington and Pyongyang.
It also said Trump raising the possibility of sanctions relief in exchange for nuclear disarmament steps from the North shows that the nuclear negotiations between the countries have entered an "elevated level."
 

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