N Korean nuclear strike could cause chaos in US

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  1. Not if the USA attacks now and changes regime with a conventional war. If instead NK is allowed to build a thermonuclear arsenal then SK should be left, if South Nam was left for the losses and economic cost of the war then how about a nuclear war on US and European soil

    Did anyone move war to Germany because he was persecuting Jews?
     
  2. That's like English, only different.

    You're quite, quite mad you know.
     
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  3. I think it's mad to join a nuclear war for SK. Let Kim reunite his peninsula, Communism is dead and there is no domino theory of Communism spreading to the whole world. Or change the regime before they have nukes
     
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  4. Who said anything about joining a nuclear war?

    Nice to see you advocating abandoning 52 million people to live under the rule of a murderous despot.

    Nobody except you & your invisible friend have said anything about domino theories or the spread of communism.

    And your magical plan for regime change is....?

    You're quite, quite mad you know.
     
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  5. When NK has its thermonuclear arsenal and the USA keeps supporting SK a nuclear war must be considered as a possibility. Unless the alliance with SK is a bluff

    There are many despots

    It was the reason of the US wars in the 50s and 60s

    I don't have one, maybe war but I don't see why New York or London should be on target of thermonuclear ICBMs for supporting SK
     
  6. I would have though that China could put a dampener on that if they wanted
     
  7. In my opinion the Chinese are rapidly running out of patience with the fat boy. One way or another they will bring him under control before he gets his hands on fully operational nukes.
    It is no longer the 1950`s and China enjoys extensive trade with the rest of the world. Anything that could disrupt that trade,such as the fat embarassment will be removed.
     
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    Your opinion could very well be wrong.

    If it is as you think, that the PRC are getting threaders with KJU, why do you think the US feel they need to "warn" PRC to start towing the line?
    “If China doesn't follow these sanctions, we will put additional sanctions on them and prevent them from accessing the U.S. and international dollar system, and that's quite meaningful,” Mr Mnuchin said, adding that “economic warfare works”.
    US threatens action against China if it doesn't follow new North Korea sanctions
    WATCH: U.S. warns China, Russia must comply with sanctions on North Korea

    Considering China are scaling down the global use of $USD and replacing it with Yuan anyway and by next year will start their Yuan/gold/oil venture I can't see how the U$ thinks it can put any pressure on the Chinese.

    China and Russia -- the biggest economic patrons of North Korea -- both share the view that North Korea won’t give up its nuclear weapons without security guarantees, and they don’t see the point in fomenting a crisis on their borders that will benefit American strategic goals. At the same time, they don’t want Kim provoking the U.S. into any action that could destabilize the region.

    More worrisome for China and Russia was Haley’s remark that the U.S. would act alone if Kim’s regime didn’t stop testing missiles and bombs. The UN representatives of both countries on Monday reiterated what they called “the four nos": No regime change, regime collapse, accelerated reunification or military deployment north of the 38th parallel dividing the Korean Peninsula.

    "...The Chinese side will never allow conflict or war on the peninsula,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said in a statement on Tuesday.......

    The comments in the wake of the sanctions signaled that both China and Russia are only willing to go so far in pressuring Kim to abandon his attempts to secure the ability to strike the U.S. with a nuclear weapon. Both nations have called for dialogue, something President Donald Trump has resisted...."

    China and Russia Warn the U.S. Not to Seek North Korean Regime Change

    I don't think The Independent,PBS and Bloomberg are political-propoganda sites, or agitprop, as a few of you like to call any sites that conflict with your points of view on this matter.

    The Sun stated that everyone's in agreement, if this is where you get your int, it could indeed be a political-propoganda site though, they do have the ears of the majority.
    It said China/Ru went along with all that the UN wanted... And it came in at 15-0 on the votes for sanctions.
    "...THE UN has voted to impose harsh new sanctions on North Korea in response to its harrowing nuclear threat...."

    With backing from China and Russia, the council voted 15-0 to back the US-drafted ban on textile exports and restricting shipments of fuel to Pyongyang...."
    North Korea slapped with crippling fresh UN sanctions after China and Russia back US to punish Kim Jong-Un over nuclear threat

    What The Sun forgot to mention was:
    The US wanted much harder-hitting sanctions. China and Russia didn’t.

    "...Chinese and Russian negotiators ensured that the sanctions were watered down before they went for a vote. That’s because those countries bring a different set of calculations to the table when it comes to reining in North Korea’s fixation on becoming a global (??) nuclear power.
    China also believes the US would dramatically increase its military presence in the region to deal with the fallout from the collapse and to secure North Korea’s nuclear weapons. A US military presence on China’s border is not something China’s leaders want to see anytime soon.
    As a result, China helps prop up the North Korean leadership knowing that a stable North Korea serves as a strategic buffer for itself.
    Russia is a more peripheral player on North Korea — it shares a much smaller border with the country, and its trade with Pyongyang is just a fraction of the trade between North Korea and China. But it has a very real interest in regional stability and keeping US presence in the area as limited as possible.
    Why Russia and China watered down the UN’s new North Korea sanctions
     
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  9. I think the South Koreans would disagree that it's theirs.
     
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  10. That time has passed, nobody is going to arbitrarily first strike anyone now.

    Not quite sure how they would put a dampener on Russian cargo ships, let alone the Chinese smugglers themselves. Trade, uh.. finds a way.
     
  11. Your inability to quote is astounding.

    We'll see.........

    Nobody has accused them of such, it's just you that normally post such 'wibble' links.

    The Sun can be reliable, but it has an agenda and is normally concerned about dross than proper news.

    Ever heard the expression, "ask for more, in order that you get what you want" It's called haggling. I am surprised Tubby III himself hasn't been sanctioned, but there you go.

    Not really. Russia wants to sell its oil and other products. By pipeline would be the best option, but that means a safe and secure means overland through the DPRK. Russia will do what is good for Russia and if it upsets the US, RoK and Japan, even better.

    As for the 'four nos' DPRK is hardly likely to keep to any agreement but the others would be hauled over the coals for the tiniest transgression.
     
  12. Go troll somewhere else.
     
  13. 184461

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    Nobody was going to do that anyway.

    This whole cluster has green-lit lots of things that couldn't have been done if there weren't a scenario-at play with DPRK.

    Never let a crisis go to waste...and if you really have to...create the crisis in the first place.

    Problem, reaction, solution
     
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    184461 On ROPs

    Why do you really GAS about quoting?
    Inadvertently SWIDT?
    We shall, ETA sometime in '18 apparently.
    Go back over my posts if you can be arsed. 80%+ are deemed MSM but sometimes there are things MSM won't go near. If they don't report it does that mean it never happened? Mossad bloke in Libya for eg.
    Let him talk. If you can't hack someone else's POV then do the snowflake thing and block him
     
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  15. One of the few thing the two agree on is that Korea is one single country currently experiencing some embarrassment as a result of an illegitimate rebel regime backed by foreign powers.

    It starts to break down a bit after that.
     
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