Mystery Trousers

#1
Ok boys and girls. Here’s an **** question (rather appropriate for Arrse).

I’m trying to identify a pair of DPM trousers (i.e. what pattern they are) but have so far drawn a blank and are hoping that some of our older Arrse members remember running around in them.

The label describes them as Trousers Combat, Temperate, DPM, 8415-99-973-7480. They have two cargo pockets, two front pockets but NO rear pockets. The DPM is in the 68 Pattern style but the colours are rather colourful and odd. The usual base straw colour has a rather golden tinge to it and the brown is a light brown as apposed to the usual dark brown. They also have a drawstring waist and appear to have been issued with drawstrings at the bottom of the legs.

Do these ring a bell with anyone?

Ta

Anneorac
 
#2
Any chance of a photo?
 
#3
With a drawstring waist they sound like they may be a type of wind pant or over-trousers

Do the front paockets have a pass-through?
 
#7
Thanks for the responses so far. I'll see if I can post a couple of pictures later today.

They’re not over trousers and they are UK Forces DPM. When I first got them I thought they may have been Dutch but the 8415-99 part of the label is a bit of a give away that they are British. I’m guessing that they are some sort of pattern between 68 and 85.

Cheers

Anneorac
 
#8
There were quite a few colour variation in the UK DPM pattern over the years. Whilst the general shape of the patterns and layout have remained the same the tones have differed considerably. Are the trousers new or worn? as washing sometimes makes the colours look strange.
 

napier

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#11
They appear to be the pre-CS95 ones (early-mid 90s), the associated jacket had 2 front zip pockets and shoulder epaulettes. Post CS95 issue they remain the preferred wear for public order due to their high cotton content (less combustable than CS95).
 
#12
Napier is correct.

The kit in the photos is the original run of what would become known as CS95. They produced jackets and trousers in order to demonstrate the utility of the chest zip pockets on the jacket, bellows pockets with sewn-in seams, etc etc. They also had drawstrings at the bottom of the legs in order to see whether people would use them.

This is why the kit is such a weird colour, as it wasn't subjected to IR proofing in all cases, as that work was conducted elsewhere, hence the slightly shiny and well worn feel you may have noticed.

Incidentally, we are now on CS95 Mk3, and can expect the next generation of CS95 to be on general release within the next 12 months or so. And very nice it is too, although slightly too thick for my liking. I guess that's progress! :)
 

Cutaway

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#13
Anneorac, what colour are the labels inside ?
 
#14
Darth_Doctrinus said:
Incidentally, we are now on CS95 Mk3, and can expect the next generation of CS95 to be on general release within the next 12 months or so. And very nice it is too, although slightly too thick for my liking. I guess that's progress! :)
That explains my strange new issue field jacket

Have t shirts been changed also ? I have a new one that feels like cotton mix instead of elastic
 
#15
Yep - it's a whole new clothing pack, certain elements of which will already have started to bleed their way out into the cupboards of ARRSErs everywhere. Boots are nearly always the first things to be noticed as there is no such thing as an averagely sized foot in HMF - there is for clothing - and so once stocks of a particular type of boot run out, the next version is rolled out. Not the same with textiles, as garrisons and units receive clothing packs which they must make last - hence you may sometimes find your naff pair of trousers being flung back at you by the hard working people in the stores!

In effect, the next range of combat clothing is designed for 'field use' only i.e. ops and exercises generally, as a whole new slice of in-barracks wear will be rolled out - see elsewhere on ARRSE for detail on that. This 'in-barracks' clothing will be issued to everyone from Brigadier down, and will effectively duplicate the role fulfilled by what most ARRSErs will remember as 'Barrack Dress' or No13 Dress (I think it was).

New clothing - new Army. Be the Best!
 
#16
They might not be issue kit at all.... Some of the far eastern manufacturers are quite cute about copying labels and NSNs.
 
#17
When I was in the Regulars (Aldershot), one of our companies was designated as a test company for the new camo suits (1968). We had the old green combats and took the p*ss out of the lads wearing the combats. Looks to me like they could be a pair of early prototype pants.
 
#18
Not a mystery to me, as I have a pair of these which are my "No.1 Cold weather exercise trousers" Fantastic kit, hard wearing, and only some minor repairs in the 6 years since I first acquired them. Only drawback are the smaller buttons.
 
#19
Yet again thank you one and all. Quite a bit to go on here.

To answer Cutaway's question it looks as if the label was once an olive green colour which has now faded to a light grey green.

And here was me thinking I wouldn't even get one response.

Cheers

Anneorac
 
#20
Napier is absolutely right. Commonly known as '94 pattern. Jackets appeared with the same brownish tinge as well. Commonly referred-to as cadet issue because after the trials all the spare stuff was dumped on the cadet forces, for whom the lack of IR proofing is not an issue.
 

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