My old reg rank & the TA

#1
I served with the Reg for 10 years and left a Cpl in 2004.

If I join the TA now, after being out for so long, will I have to start back at the beginning as a day 1 Pte? Or can I attend refresher courses to keep my old rank?
 
#2
Speak to the unit.

One thing that might happen is that you end up with a crow regimental number.

I don't think they will make you suck an egg, and to phase 1 again, as it's less than ten years, but like I said, check with the unit to be sure.
 

The_Duke

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#3
Over 6 years equals re-do basic and all previously held qualifications expired. You will have to start again, but a sensible unit will acknowledge your previous experience (assuming it is relevant to the unit you join) and push you towards regaining rank as fast as possible.
 
#4
I thought I might have to do Basic again (least it wont be like the first time around!)

Dont fancy losing my number much though! I always assumed you kept your number?
 

Travelgall

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#5
I thought I might have to do Basic again (least it wont be like the first time around!)

Dont fancy losing my number much though! I always assumed you kept your number?
Nope I got a new one. It was my belief it was 3 years, not 6.
 
#6
Over 6 years equals re-do basic and all previously held qualifications expired. You will have to start again, but a sensible unit will acknowledge your previous experience (assuming it is relevant to the unit you join) and push you towards regaining rank as fast as possible.
Best way to progress is to be a regular attender for proper training weekends (not just the range days or piss ups) and a good example to other privates when you are there.
It's like any other job the rewards come to those willing to take personal responsibility for things and who can be relied upon to see a job though.

But don't expect to be popular while you do it. You will have to put up with the cliques and people's gripes about it being buggins turn before you get there.
If you are lucky you won't have to succomb to the SQMS's carnal desires first, though it certainly seemed to help get that first stripe in my last Yeomanry unit.

The one thing TA don't like is ex Regulars that think they have an entitlement to rank simply because they were Regulars. Most units value good ex Regulars, be daft not to.
 

The_Duke

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#7
I thought I might have to do Basic again (least it wont be like the first time around!)

Dont fancy losing my number much though! I always assumed you kept your number?
The introduction of JPA (new admin computer system) means that those serving at the time of data migration kept their number, rejoiners get issued a new one.
 
#9
I'm not an expert on this mate so don't take it as gospel, but I know re-joins in the regs that have been given a crow number thanks to JPA.

You can't imagine how happy they were...
 
#11
300 or 301 now! :D
 

The_Duke

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#13
brettarider, it has changed quite a bit, mainly because there was little in the way of fixed policy. Different units/Bdes treated the issue differently.

At one stage I could bring someone back on strength on the basis of a pen picture being signed off by a Bde SO2 subject to MATTs passes within 12 months. It is now more formally structured, and (from memory) the 3 years relates to rank and quals to allow for skill fade, but you can rejoin as a Pte without redoing basic up to the 6 year point.
 
#14
If you were on JPA when you left then you should regain your old number, if you weren't then you will get a new one, can't remember when JPA formally kicked in.

S_R
 
#15
I left 01st April 2004... looks like JPA rolled out in 2006... Yet another pants system the MOD pump loads of money into!

I remember TA soldiers use to turn up on tour with old 'dead mans number' -yet a living soldier cant keep hold of his!!
 
#16
I was out over 10 years, all i had to do was pass MATTS at level 1 then kept my old rank and didnt have to do any basic. Depends on your unit but there are ways round it
 
#17
I echo some of the comments here

I'm an ex reg who joined the TA after a 6yr gap, but luckily I joined pre JPA which meant

1. I kept my old number
2. The unit was able to fudge its way round the training issue
3. I was able to occupy a PID slot without being suitably qualified
4. Although I didn't keep rank, the were able to speed up the process (tom to full screw in less than a year)

However with the introduction of JPA you may have issues as there are guidelines that won't let you fudge the system

With reference to old rank, in fact with any part of joining the unit, simply imagine it the same as any posting

There will always be people who see rank as a privilege to serving, anyone posted in causes a few feathers to be ruffled, but I have generally found most to be happy with you being there and bringing experience.

One thing to bear in mind is many ex-regs don't do the Regular Service any favours and can often act like spoilt children, making loads of demands in the mistaken belief that they are some how special due to their service. When I re-took my oath, the PSAO looked at my previous service and commented that I had been out long enough to stay, meaning that those that hop from one service to the other often don't last, my 6 yr sabbatical gave me a different perception on life and the army.

Also you need to consider the unit you wish to join, I had the luxury of joining the same capbadge albeit different discipline, so it wasn't hard to adapt, if however you are an infantry Full Screw joining a REME or Sigs unit, you will discover that having Junior/Senior Brecon is useful from a training point of view, but ultimately useless on career progression. We have quite a few ex-regs, including an old RAOC lad (yes RAOC not RLC) and they all had to do Phase 2 and 3 training before seeing any rank

Its not all doom and gloom however, some of your quals can be carried over, albeit translated into your new Regt/Corps structure, things like Leadership courses for example. What I do advice is have proof, Red book, course certificates etc, don't trust the system in keeping anything, oh and photocopy everything, never give anyone originals as they will disappear into the admin vortex
 
#18
If you would like to join the reserve forces after a long time out you need to remember thing the Army has moved on, skills of JNCO's and SNCO's have change dramatically. Most Reserve soldiers have completed tours of Iraq and Afganistan.
The reserve forces do pre judge people we take them as we find them Ex regulars are very welcome and are not treated in any differant manner.
 
#20
If you would like to join the reserve forces after a long time out you need to remember thing the Army has moved on, skills of JNCO's and SNCO's have change dramatically. Most Reserve soldiers have completed tours of Iraq and Afganistan.
The reserve forces do pre judge people we take them as we find them Ex regulars are very welcome and are not treated in any differant manner.
Care to prove that? I have nothing against the TA, but I doubt that is correct. I believe that you will have people who have done multiple tours of the same theatre, but the majority who have not deployed further than the Spar at the end of the estate.
 

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