My flat is under siege by scum - what can I do?

theoriginalphantom

MIA
Book Reviewer
The rest of the estate too...

that is the downside of such a device, along with them being a bit illegal.
If we could persuade them into a faraday cage, that'd work too. Even better if we can then electrify it.
 
unfortunately I have to agree with the advice to move, I moved into what was supposed to be a flagship housing estate unfortunately it was the flagship of the housing organisation that took over from the council so they basically dropped all their problem children into the apartment block where i live. so theres been nothing but an almost constant police attendance the overpowering aroma of cannabis every morning in the hallways screaming shouting general vandalism and finding someone sprayed blood up and down the place having either got involved in a fight or the victim of DV has tried to do a runner.

numerous complaints to the estate manager have always been met with theres nothing we can do the law is on their side we cant evict them for XYZ reasons etc etc
 

Green_Homer

War Hero
@Listy has given some excellent responses. A lot of people don't, (understandably) realise that it's not as simple as police arresting everyone and cracking skulls..

There are lots of variables towards problem areas and each situation will be unique in its problems and solutions.

When I was on beats I alongside a colleague spent an enormous amount of energy into dealing with large groups of teens making the lives of a certain area a nightmare.

We managed to get a s35 dispersal zone setup (requires an inspectors authorisation, for a specified area and maximum of 48hrs - but can be granted another 48 if needed). This gave us (police) the power to disperse groups whom we believed to be causing ASB. If warned and they don't move they could get arrested / taken to place of safety if under 16.

To get that authorisation I had to evidence that there were sufficient complaints on our system.

With that in place we were able to gather a lot more information about who we were dealing with. I was also able to get it bumped up to a sector priority for a while as well which meant that response teams were directed to target the area as well.

We broke the group into ring leaders and proper ones to focus on and hanger oners. This involved establishing (if not already known) where they lived, were they in council / housing association properties etc. The ring leaders were actively targeted for any possible offence that they could be done for and kept separate from the hanger oners.

At the same time we got in contact with the relevant housing officers for those in social housing and using the stats available because of the reports were able to get them to put pressure on the parents tenancies. For the lower level ones we visited parents and made them aware what their spawn were up to, most surprisingly were supportive and assisted in preventing their kids forming part of the blob.

Along with A LOT of persistent patrols we were effectively able to remove the support base which calmed the area massively.





However - the world hadn't stopped spinning elsewhere, recorded problems stopped (including many persistent complainers now genuinely happy). This meant that the extra resources and powers were not able to be justified anymore and needed to go elsewhere. Equally this applied to the partner agencies and their resourcing.

You can guess what then happened....

Most police and PCSOs genuinely want to deal with the problem but sadly it's frequently an up hill battle with hands tied behind backs. Courts letting problem offenders out time and time again with no substantive punishment until there's no other option
 
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theoriginalphantom

MIA
Book Reviewer
after our neighbour died someone broke into his house, what they didn't know was that the family had fitted a cheap alarm. There wasn't anything of any real value in there.
We rang the police who were not interested in the alarm going off. I mentioned that there were several suspicious people around the house (this was during lockdown one) in dark clothing. not interested
one of them is J*** from Number ** " someone is on the way NOW"

minutes later one copper with land shark arrived, checked the house was clear (fido seemed quite happy even though there was nobody to bite) statements taken and so on. J*** from number ** is 'well known' to a variety of services due to his 'complex medical issues' and being taken advantage of by local scrotes who are also well known to the police etc. It doesn't help that he clearly 'self medicates'

we got CCTV fitted and the late night fuss and noise stopped outside our house. The police have still had to visit number ** but his numerous friends are quieter.
we did have a problem with his friends parking next to our house (in one case a neighbour reported that someone was getting a blow job in the car) which was at school kicking out time.
a couple of extra CCTV signs on the fence (where the cameras don't cover the outside) and suddenly, nobody parks down there to visit number **.
 

theoriginalphantom

MIA
Book Reviewer
limited range, the one I was given only worked for about 10 metres, it also got through batteries, so you ned to flick it on and off

wait till you see one of them take or make a call and interrupt it?
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
wait till you see one of them take or make a call and interrupt it?
Thats what we did, they still see a signal, but cannot make a call , we tried it on our own phones first, then on some mong using his phone in his car driving past
you can make one apparently, but its beyond me, too many little tiny bits
 

RaiderBoat

Old-Salt
“Hello? Police? Yeah. I live near xxxxx and I just saw some older men pulling or carrying a young child into the bushes. Now she’s screaming. I just want you to know, since we have lots of young children around here...”
 
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& spend your evenings cleansing the streets in the manner of Peter Sutcliffe ?

Starting local to your flat you will not need the expensive of a Class 1 HGV licence, but should you wish to work further afield it will help expand your area of operation...
 
Oh I forgot to mention.

When I say report everything, as separate incidents the reasoning is this. Say you've got a single report, even if it contains ten incidents you're still only looking at one report. This can be put down as a one off. 10 reports over two days is a lot harder to put down as one off.
I've dealt with a fair few incidents where I've advised the complainant to keep making reports. And then we get the 'Oh you're just trying to fob me off and you're not interested!' routine, and then they don't bother doing anything more because 'The council is useless and isn't interested'.

We are, but things take time and we need to evidence any action we take. We need those reports to make sure we can do something. Take the aforementioned PSPO's. We usually get complaints from Liberty about them, and they'll be challenged by Liberty. You also invariably get a few members of the public complaining (these are usually the 'Government oppression!' crowd. Once got called a 'NWO stormtrooper' by one of these lot.). If we're trying to roll a PSPO through on the back of a handful of reports we'll get caned. If we've got 400 repeat events, from multiple witness and signed witness statements, its us doing the caning.
We've got a PSPO in the works with an alcohol exclusion area. It's taken us over a year of gathering witness statements, monitoring the area and recording exact numbers of street drinkers by appointed council officers.

Also, keep in mind the council guy likely has several cases on the go at anyone time. A simple 'Youths/Littering/looking surly' isn't high on ones priorities when you've just got off the phone to someone whose been driven suicidal, and they've been yelling and screaming at you for an hour, you've seen an email come in from someone you know there's concerns for welfare whose nearly burnt down their house several times, you've got another old lady asking for help, whose lives are being made a nightmare by the next door neighbor, the sort who says 'Oh I'm sorry to have called you, I don't want to complain or make a fuss.' Yet the scrote next door is practically smearing excrement over her house, and has been for the last year or so before she's decided to place the call.

What I'm trying to say is, your issues will get looked at when they've got enough evidence to look at it.
That can be a double-edged sword though. As Ive said on other threads-there are people out there who feel the requirement to simply report *something everyday. At the moment they are making daily COVID breach reports. "gang of 15 youths on end of street"-patrol turns up and sees there are 3 8 year olds playing by their front garden gate. When lockdown ends they'll simply switch to reporting cars "fully parked on the pavement"- will inevitably turn out to be a car on a very narrow street with a wheel 2 inches on the kerb.

DO make reports everytime something happens, you can do it online. Make note of car registrations then an intel marker can be placed on it. Make every report count though-dont exagerrate or type a Shakespearian masterpiece with absolutely zero information in it... Real example of what's quite common:

"I was looking in a south westerly direction the other day and saw an individual who looked like he was probably waiting for drugs. A blue car..or maybe black (I didnt have my glasses on and it was going dark) then drove past and stopped. The suspect individual then proceeded to approach the vehicle which was heading South East. This happened at tea time as I'd just had my steak & kidney pie..the car then drove off so I presume it was a drugs deal. I see lots of drugs deals taking place outside my house, sometimes a red car turns up-Ive even seen a silver one. I think her from number 34 is involved." All submitted leaving their own name and address as anonymous so we dont have a fecking clue where anything took place.

You have to remember-police are massively tied up with all the covid calls, 90% of which all derrive from someones neighbour having a visitor who has taken a up a parking space on the street-no actual concern for public health etc. Your reports WILL be noted and the neighbourhood policing team will also liase with the council etc. Just dont expect blue lights etc if you see a bloke jacking up in the bushes and report it-its not gonna happen.
 

Ritch

LE
Hi Gentleman,

Thought I would post this here as there are actually some knowledgeable people on this board that might be able to provide some decent advice.

About six weeks ago I split from my GF and moved back into my own flat.

It was quickly noticeable to me that the environs surrounding the flat had completely declined since I had last lived there.

Firstly, we have an alley way that runs past the flats that runs from the street to a very large park area. I see people stood at the entrance of this alleyway daily - I have never seen drugs actually change hands but it is quite obvious what they are up to. This alley provides excellent routes in and out, including into a large park where they could easily lose any police attention.

The street itself is terribly lit and is quite intimidating during the hours of darkness. I asked the management company that manages our building why the lights weren't on at the entrance to the building.
They were quite surprised because apparently they had fixed the lights only a couple of months ago. It turns out someone has removed the lightbulbs. These lights help to illuminate the alleyway, and without them it is in total darkness. It is certainly a combat indicator of skullduggery going on.

On the other side of the building my flat overlooks a green that backs onto a bridge with a dual carriageway. The bushes at the back of this green are used nightly for drug taking and drug dealing by a group of between 6-12 people. At night time I can see torches and lighters being lit in the bushes constantly. My balcony overlooks all of this so I can sit watching their activities to my hearts content. They are on mobile phones often and often have very loud shouting matches. I imagine they are very intimidating to walk past.

The general ambience of the area screams 'shithole' now. At night there all sorts of unsavoury characters lurking, often in groups.

Because the area is next to the town centre it has always had its fair share of druggies and homeless passing through but this is something else.

I have made a report to the police via their website and although they acknowledged receiving it I haven't heard anything about it.

As much as I want to channel my inner Punisher and start shooting them with a crossbow from my balcony, what are my options?
Is there any way I can get the police to bother to do anything?

Get @Joshua Slocum on the case. He'll sort 'em out.
 
Move to Alberta it’s currently -20c outside nefarious characters don’t hang about out side for long, we live in the middle of nowhere so If the dogs kick off I pick up a rifle and have a walk about.
In short move
 

NSP

LE
That can be a double-edged sword though. As Ive said on other threads-there are people out there who feel the requirement to simply report *something everyday. At the moment they are making daily COVID breach reports. "gang of 15 youths on end of street"-patrol turns up and sees there are 3 8 year olds playing by their front garden gate. When lockdown ends they'll simply switch to reporting cars "fully parked on the pavement"- will inevitably turn out to be a car on a very narrow street with a wheel 2 inches on the kerb.

DO make reports everytime something happens, you can do it online. Make note of car registrations then an intel marker can be placed on it.
Make every report count though-dont exagerrate or type a Shakespearian masterpiece with absolutely zero information in it... Real example of what's quite common:

"I was looking in a south westerly direction the other day and saw an individual who looked like he was probably waiting for drugs. A blue car..or maybe black (I didnt have my glasses on and it was going dark) then drove past and stopped. The suspect individual then proceeded to approach the vehicle which was heading South East. This happened at tea time as I'd just had my steak & kidney pie..the car then drove off so I presume it was a drugs deal. I see lots of drugs deals taking place outside my house, sometimes a red car turns up-Ive even seen a silver one. I think her from number 34 is involved." All submitted leaving their own name and address as anonymous so we dont have a fecking clue where anything took place.

You have to remember-police are massively tied up with all the covid calls, 90% of which all derrive from someones neighbour having a visitor who has taken a up a parking space on the street-no actual concern for public health etc. Your reports WILL be noted and the neighbourhood policing team will also liase with the council etc. Just dont expect blue lights etc if you see a bloke jacking up in the bushes and report it-its not gonna happen.
That's nice. I put some dashcam footage in through the online submission portal for A&S Constabulary showing a woman in the car behind me constantly looking at her 'phone in a suction-cup holder attached to her windscreen and tapping away on it, replying to text messages or updating Facetwat or whatever, and the response was that because she wasn't actually holding the phone no offence had been committed.

A&S dude! She was sat on my arse for three and a half miles with her attention focused mostly on her bloody 'hpne, tapping away. You can clearly see her head is aimed at the 'phone and not at the road - or, crucially, the back of my car and the big red lights attached to it that alert you to the fact I am taking way off.

FFS. What is the point of the police these days? She needs a good talking to by a stern-faced, grumpy, short-tempered constable with his peak pulled down low, if not presented with a summons. So she's not committing a mobile 'phone offence for some unfathomable reason. Fine - how's about driving without due care and attention? Improper use of the controls? Careless driving? Etc, etc...?

And you might wonder why the upstanding section of society might feel that it's all a waste of bloody time, reporting stuff to Plod...?
 

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