"My Boy Jack" ITV Sunday 11th November

#1
Am I alone in having watched this?

I thought Radcliffe made the transition from Harry what's his name; to a young serious actor who played the part of Jack well, David Haig came over as Rudyard Kipling also in a very believable manner.

My only gripe was that it would have been nice to have seen a clip of the now identified Commonwealth War Grave of Jack Kilpling at the end of the programme.
 
#3
theflyinghandbag said:
Have got it on Sky+ to watch later this week.
Me too...
 
#4
Henry_Tombs said:
Am I alone in having watched this?

I thought Radcliffe made the transition from Harry what's his name; to a young serious actor who played the part of Jack well, David Haig came over as Rudyard Kipling also in a very believable manner.

My only gripe was that it would have been nice to have seen a clip of the now identified Commonwealth War Grave of Jack Kilpling at the end of the programme.
So they found him in the end. Was he identified before Kipling's death?

It was a very moving programme and I for one found it very poignant.

At School we studied war poetry and while Sassoon is possibly my favourite war poet, Kiplings' two line verse, Common Form, always made me pause.

Common Form
If any question why we died
Tell them because our fathers lied


Somehow in two lines he put his grief, his guilt, and the overwhelming sadness of a nation so succintly that it always moves me.

Out of interest did anyone see 'My Boy Jack' as a play?

P.S.
Is it me or does this echo today, especially Bliar:

A Dead Statesman, R Kipling (1924)
I could not dig; I dare not rob;
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine young and defrauded young.
 
#6
Anon1 said:
Henry_Tombs said:
Am I alone in having watched this?

I thought Radcliffe made the transition from Harry what's his name; to a young serious actor who played the part of Jack well, David Haig came over as Rudyard Kipling also in a very believable manner.

My only gripe was that it would have been nice to have seen a clip of the now identified Commonwealth War Grave of Jack Kilpling at the end of the programme.
So they found him in the end. Was he identified before Kipling's death?
My bold I believe recent investigations have hinted that the grave they identified as his is in fact that of another.

As for the programme I thought it was brilliant and Radcliffe was unrecognisible
 
#7
Anon1,
I believe his grave was only identified a couple of years ago with some fresh research as to who died on what day ect.

Perhaps somebody else can enlarge on this?





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#9
Thanks Rusty, I had not seen that report, makes it all a little more sad.
 
#10
Henry_Tombs said:
Am I alone in having watched this?
I too watched it last night and found it very good indeed. I have no gripes as I knew very little of the story before hand.
 
#11
I watched it. I thought it was excellent.

I particularly liked the way they portrayed the relationship between Rudyard Kipling and his wife, Carrie. She was played by an almost unrecognisable Kim Cattarall (Sex and the City) and she was just great. She didn't blame Rudyard for his exhaustive persistent at Jack joining up and 'doing his bit' and the last shot of them in bed, after eventually finding out that Jack was dead, was very moving.

The war scenes made me think how awful it must have been and no matter how much I try, I cannot begin to think what the soldiers went through in the trenches with the smell of death and dying around them, the mud, the rain, the noise. The shots of the trenches were very well done.

Glad I caught it.
 
#14
Excellent programme. the grave is still in dispute and with those around refusing DNA testing it will probably never be fully resolved. Rudyard Kipling's relationship with his wife understandably when downhill after the death of their first daughter, then John but from all accounts it was his wife's brother he was in love with until he died of typhoid.
 
#18
My Boy Jack

Have you news of my boy Jack?"
Not this tide.
"When d'you think that he'll come back?"
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.


"Has any one else had word of him?: "
Not this tide.
For what is sunk will hardly swim,
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.


"Oh, dear, what comfort can I find?"
None this tide,
Nor any tide,
Except he did not shame his kind--
Not even with that wind blowing, and that tide.


Then hold your head up all the more,
This tide,
And every tide;
Because he was the son you bore,
And gave to that wind blowing and that tide!
 
#19
A very good bit of work, including young Radcliffe who does seem to be a fine actor.

I recall it wasn't until after the war had ended that the Kipling family finally found out that Jack had died from a witness, and wasn't "missing" as such. 1919 rings a bell?
 
#20
just watched it now, had to pull a sickie off work as I got very wan5ered with the old soldiers in my village last night. what a day!! anyway good casting and a thought provoking drama. had a lump in my throat when they went over the top. must have been horrible.
 
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