Mustard anyone?

I see according to the Sky News report that Mustard Gas was used in WW2 .... the only occasion I am aware of is when the Americans unintentionally released a cloud of gas when a ship carrying it was bombed in Bari Port in 1943 ....

ETA linky ... SS John Harvey - Wikipedia

The Germans dropped a few mustard gas bombs on Warsaw on the 3rd of September 1939. The admitted they did it in 1942 but reckoned it was done accidentally.

The Japs also used it in China but not in any great amounts.
 
The Germans dropped a few mustard gas bombs on Warsaw on the 3rd of September 1939. The admitted they did it in 1942 but reckoned it was done accidentally.

The Japs also used it in China but not in any great amounts.

Perhaps the Americans had some intelligence of these events which is why they brought some into the European Theatre in 1943
 
I suspect there is an awful lot more mustard lying around is remote corners of the UK than anybody realises.
Thousands of tons were stored underground, not all of it was cleared post war. There are long forgotten corners that have never been cleared.
 
Which was exactly my reason for posting it. When I first heard that my chum was in trouble for digging something up from that site I laughingly said "what, mustard gas?" "how the feck did you know that?" was the response.

Now I had known about it, and other sites, for years and yet the MOD seems to have had collective amnesia on the subject and bravely steered well clear of both the investigation and the court case.

If anyone lives in the housing estate near the old Bramley training area in Hampshire I strongly recommend that they do not dig too deep either.
In the mid 1990s the RAF did a huge amount of remediation on old storage sites across the UK and at 14 MU Chilmark, where the negligence in storage of CW and conventional ordnance was nothing short of criminal.
 
RNAD Broughton Moor on the other hand.....

I had the displeasure to visit RAF Bowes Moor during remediation work about 20 years ago. What a desolate place.


 
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"They were arrested after the Taskers, of Lincoln, sought medical help for breathing difficulties and blisters on their arms after finding the gas canisters, the court heard."

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I had the displeasure to visit RAF Bowes Moore during remediation work about 20 years ago. What a desolate place.




If you want to store something as nasty as Mustard then Bowes Moor is probably a pretty good place for it!
One interesting site up that way that was always completely misunderstood Lunehead barytes mine. Many locals are still convinced the army was up to no good there during the war.
The reality is more mundane, the Canadians brought over specialist diamond drillers during the war as army units and they were employed at Lunehead and Carrock tungsten mine to increase production.
 
During the war, near Whitehaven, there was a Manganese production plant that extracted it from sea water. It was demolished immediately after the end of the war and very little is known about it...allegedly linked to TUBE ALLOYS.
 

Common occurrence in Belgium and France. When the farmers hit munitions with the blade of their plough they pick it up and dump it at the side of the road and EOD collect it when they pass.
 

Bubbles_Barker

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In the mid 1990s the RAF did a huge amount of remediation on old storage sites across the UK and at 14 MU Chilmark, where the negligence in storage of CW and conventional ordnance was nothing short of criminal.
Do tell - I worked for a Gp Capt who'd run Chilmark around that time and he wasn't the sort of bloke to be negligent.
 
Do tell - I worked for a Gp Capt who'd run Chilmark around that time and he wasn't the sort of bloke to be negligent.
At the rear of the proof house there was a huge mass - a matrix - of partially burned ordnance that had been sampled and thrown on to a huge pile that continued to grow over the years. A commercial contract was let c 1996/97 to have the UXO steamed out and the casings disposed of.

Additionally there was extensive CW contamination, principally Mustard Gas, but some nerve agents. I had great delight popping in to Supply at my parent unit and getting 'in date' suits, pens and cannisters, by insisting that it was for real (which it was). The contamination was historic; Mustard Gas (as you know) can be denatured with....Chlorine!
 
At the rear of the proof house there was a huge mass - a matrix - of partially burned ordnance that had been sampled and thrown on to a huge pile that continued to grow over the years. A commercial contract was let c 1996/97 to have the UXO steamed out and the casings disposed of.

Additionally there was extensive CW contamination, principally Mustard Gas, but some nerve agents. I had great delight popping in to Supply at my parent unit and getting 'in date' suits, pens and cannisters, by insisting that it was for real (which it was). The contamination was historic; Mustard Gas (as you know) can be denatured with....Chlorine!

Hence why chilmark, Bramley and other such sites cannot be sold as they cannot be certified FFE.

The situation you describe is not negligence, it’s a legacy issue that is very difficult to resolve. The was an Op many years ago to clear Bramle, possibly Op Centurion.
 
Hence why chilmark, Bramley and other such sites cannot be sold as they cannot be certified FFE.

The situation you describe is not negligence, it’s a legacy issue that is very difficult to resolve. The was an Op many years ago to clear Bramle, possibly Op Centurion.
The CW contamination is/was a legacy issue; the Proof House matrix of partially consumed munitions was a local habit.
 
Hence why chilmark, Bramley and other such sites cannot be sold as they cannot be certified FFE.

The situation you describe is not negligence, it’s a legacy issue that is very difficult to resolve. The was an Op many years ago to clear Bramle, possibly Op Centurion.
A LOT of work was done to clean up RAF Bowes Moor at the same time, and AFAIK, FFEd.
 

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Hence why chilmark, Bramley and other such sites cannot be sold as they cannot be certified FFE.

The situation you describe is not negligence, it’s a legacy issue that is very difficult to resolve. The was an Op many years ago to clear Bramle, possibly Op Centurion.
Rather a lot of the NE corner of what was Bramley is now a housing estate (Bramley Green?)
 

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