Multinational military rank comparator

#2
Its not entirely accurate,

with US Sgts the equivilant of British Sgts, more like senior tom or lance jack..........
 
#3
The rank equivalents are accurate, but it doesn't show the responsibilities of ranks in the various armies e.g. Corporals as Section Commanders in the British Army.
 
#5
That is bizarre.

The Turks and Greeks don't have a private or lance jack.

The Germans have 18 OR's to the Norwegians 3

That can't be right can it?
 
#6
Gwailo wrote:

That is bizarre.

The Turks and Greeks don't have a private or lance jack.

The Germans have 18 OR's to the Norwegians 3

That can't be right can it?
It is right. There is no doubt that the UK have the more simplistic rank structure in Nato. The Norweigians OR's are actually civilians under contract. Only the Norweigan officers are regulars. Having served with Nato, I do believe that most OR6's and above would not make it into the Mess at the level of a Bristish SNCO. Saying that I have met a few that would be worthy, very few. Unfortunately the OR structure is based on the USA E system. If you take the average age of an American S/Sgt (OR6) which is 25 and the average age of a Brit Sgt (OR6) which is 27, there is a 2 year gap, that boils down to experience, thats why the Brits better the Yanks in this area. We tend to get promoted on experience where as are American friends tend to be promoted on their ability to do their ITD's on time. :lol:
 
#7
I still don't agree with it even if it is the 'official listing' and I know Tomahawk6 is going to jump on his high horse about it but.....

When I was a Pte I was a rifleman in an Infantry Section. I did a 7 week internal course to be a LCpl.

When I was a LCpl I was the 2IC of a section and commanded a fire team. I then did 13 weeks of busting my guts out at Aldershot and Brecon to be a Section Commander. (there were also 3 US Rangers on this course and they ended up agreeing with us as well)

When I was a Corporal I was a Section commander (Squad Leader for all you spams) in charge of a section of 8. OK 7 + 3 (Wr).

When I was a Sergeant (OK I was Mortars by then) but I would have been a platoon sergeant in a rifle company instead I had a far better job than chasing 17/18 year old creatures around wiping their arrses for them.

Now I am a CSgt I have been a Mortar 2IC which is a job that is rank ranged between CSgt and WO2!

Just because the spams have sergeants for everything and we have a definate split between JNCO and SNCO they seem to think they know everything.....well they don't

SO DON'T BLOODY TELL ME ABOUT YOUR RANK SYSTEMS I KNOW WHAT WE DO AND I KNOW WHAT YOU DO!

I have worked along side our American cousins on numerous occasions - including 2 years in Berlin and at Brecon.

Rant over!
 

Zoid

Old-Salt
#8
Golf_one_one said:
Its not entirely accurate,

with US Sgts the equivilant of British Sgts, more like senior tom or lance jack..........
Agree completely. The list just reels off a bunch of ranks without looking at responsibilities, and as such is, in my opinion, a bit of a waste of time.

Is it true that a US tank commander is a 2nd Lt/Lt? If so, it makes a bit of a mockery, given that is the job of a Brit Cpl.
 
#9
Zoid said:
Golf_one_one said:
Its not entirely accurate,

with US Sgts the equivilant of British Sgts, more like senior tom or lance jack..........
Agree completely. The list just reels off a bunch of ranks without looking at responsibilities, and as such is, in my opinion, a bit of a waste of time.

Is it true that a US tank commander is a 2nd Lt/Lt? If so, it makes a bit of a mockery, given that is the job of a Brit Cpl.
Mech would no better than I, but I believe most tank commanders are SSgts. A tank 2Lt or 1Lt would be a tank platoon leader, what in charge of three or four tanks including his own.
 
#10
bubblehead said:
Zoid said:
Golf_one_one said:
Its not entirely accurate,

with US Sgts the equivilant of British Sgts, more like senior tom or lance jack..........
Agree completely. The list just reels off a bunch of ranks without looking at responsibilities, and as such is, in my opinion, a bit of a waste of time.

Is it true that a US tank commander is a 2nd Lt/Lt? If so, it makes a bit of a mockery, given that is the job of a Brit Cpl.
Mech would no better than I, but I believe most tank commanders are SSgts. A tank 2Lt or 1Lt would be a tank platoon leader, what in charge of three or four tanks including his own.
You may be right - even so, the rank comparison chart does not hold there either, a Cpl doing the job of a Ssgt. It's not just armoured as well, there are numerous other examples. I reckon its got a lot to do with the US having plenty of manpower and being able to have plenty of people at that rank for the job, whereas with us Brits we don't, and have to make the person fit the job.

Its just not an accurate or fair comparison, IMO.
 
#11
It's all about ability. Don't wish to sound superior but IMHO Brits should be locally promoted when working with foreign troops. It used to happen when 'Toms' went down to Pau in France for the Mil Free Fall course and were all promoted local Sgt for the duration :lol: For all I know it probably does. Just remember a Cpl in the Commandos = a Captain in the Craphats!
Now ducking the incoming........
 
#12
US Army 2LTs are Platoon Leaders, and if they are in a Tank Platoon then they are also Tank Commander qualified.

Normal platoon of 4 tanks and 16 people. Usual tank commander is OR-5 or OR-6 (E5 or E6). One OR-7 (E7) per platoon as the Platoon Sergeant.

Wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for a 2LT . . . and I wouldn't give him a map either.
 
#13
Zoid said:
Golf_one_one said:
Its not entirely accurate,

with US Sgts the equivilant of British Sgts, more like senior tom or lance jack..........
Agree completely. The list just reels off a bunch of ranks without looking at responsibilities, and as such is, in my opinion, a bit of a waste of time.

Is it true that a US tank commander is a 2nd Lt/Lt? If so, it makes a bit of a mockery, given that is the job of a Brit Cpl.
Crew Commanders in the ADF (RAAC) are CPLS....can also be LCPLS. TSGTS can also be crew commanders.
11B
 
#14
Even when we compare the ranks of the different US forces we have the same problem. The US Army seems to have inflated rank compared to the US Marines. In the Army a squad leader is a Staff Sergeant, with two Sergeant Fire Team Leaders. The Marines usually have a Sergeant as the Squad leader, and a Corporal as a team leader. There are times of course that manpower gets short and a Specialist/Corporal will be a team leader or even squad leader with a Private First Class as a team leader.
 
#15
Irish Defence Forces

Officers:

Exactly the same as BA, exception being a Commandant (Comdt), equivalent to a Major in the BA. Most senior Irish rank is Lt Gen.

Other Ranks (BA equivalent):

Recruit (Pte in CMSR)
Pte 2* (Pte in Phase 2 trg)
Pte 3* (Pte after completion of Phase 2 trg)
Cpl (LCpl & Cpl)
Sgt (Sgt)
Coy Quartermaster Sgt (S/Sgt)
Coy Sergeant (WO 2 / CSM)
Bn Quartermaster Sgt (??)
Bn Sergeant Major (WO 1 / RSM)
 
#16
irlsgt said:
Irish Defence Forces

Officers:

Exactly the same as BA, exception being a Commandant (Comdt), equivalent to a Major in the BA. Most senior Irish rank is Lt Gen.
The rank of Commandant (an Afrikaans word) derives from the time that McBride's 'Irish Brigade' fought for the Boers during the Anglo-Boer War of 1899-1902 (or the Second Freedom War as us old African hands call it) - this is one of the reaons that so many of the 1916 rebels were wearing South African-style slouch hats.

The Volunteers Force established under De Valera in the 1930s had the rank of Major.
 
#17
You cannot easily equate the ranks - You have to equate the responsibilities.

An American sergeant is a (UK) L/Cpl. Roughly.
An American Spec 4 is a Private who has been 4 times to the NAAFI.

An American Company is commanded by a Captain but he is micro-managed to a level that a UK Sgt would find insulting.

A Brit Coy OC has more freedom of action than a US Bde Cdr.

To equate the ranks you really have to look at the detail of the orders given. All US ranks count as at least 3 down since they are micro managed and supervised to the nth degree.

Never forget - The US Army is the only army in the world that does not use motorcycles. They have not yet worked out how to supervise the driver.
Every Brit soldier has two shots of morphine hanging round his neck. Which other army trusts its soldiers to carry hard drugs ?
 
#18
Indian Army

Offiicer - Similar

Junior Commission Officer

This is an unique rank structure which was devised by the British and was staffed by Indians who acted as a link between the British Officers and the troops.

This rank structure continues till date.

Subedar Major (Armoured Corp (AC) = Risalder Major)
Subedar (Risalder)
Naib Subdedar (Naib Risalder)

Non Commissioned Officers

Regiment/ Battalion Havildar Major, equivelent to RSM (AC = Wordy Major)
Company Havildar Major, (Sqn Daffadar Maj)
Havildar, equivalent to a Sergeant (Daffadar)
Naik, equivalent of a Corporal
Lance Naik, equivalent of Lance Corporal

Sepoy, equivalent of a Private
 
#19
Rayc said:
This is an unique rank structure which was devised by the British and was staffed by Indians who acted as a link between the British Officers and the troops.

This rank structure continues till date.

Subedar Major (Armoured Corp (AC) = Risalder Major)
Subedar (Risalder)
Naib Subdedar (Naib Risalder)
The British Army has the same ranks in the Gurkha Regiment (originating from the old Indian Army)

They are know as Queens Gurkha Officers (QGO)

Major (QGO)
Captain (QGO)
Lieutenant (QGO)
 
#20
Might as well go down the full list of responsibilities for the US Army so you can work out your British equivalent. (Armour role in square brackets)

E-1 through E-4 (SPC): Riflemen. (Generic term, includes SAW gunners, grenadiers etc) [Loader, maybe Driver. Driver is usually E-4SPC]
E-4 (Corporal): Team leader [Gunner] . Corporals are rarely found these days, the general rule of thumb is that if an E-4 is doing a sergeant's job, he's given hard stripes to give him authority over junior soldiers, even without the change in pay.
E-5 Sergeant. Team leader. (Three soldiers under him) [Gunner]
E-6 Staff Sergeant. Squad leader. Squad of nine, two teams of four. [Tank Commander]
E-7 Sergeant First Class: Platoon sergeant. [Platoon sergeant/Tank Commander]
E-8 (Master Sergeant). Both infantry and armour, this is a position a little outside the normal chain. Generally a rank given to someone in a speciality position, such as battalion master gunner.
E-8 (First Sergeant): Senior sergeant in the company. Is responsible more for troop care and discipline than for tactical use.
E-9 (Sergeant Major): Not unusually the Battalion Ops NCO in the TOC.
E-9 (Command Sergeant Major). Senior enlisted man in the battalion/brigade/division. Basically every commander of battalion level or higher has a CSM at his right hand to serve as the representative of the Enlisted chain, both as an advisor, and a channel for instructions. The rank/pay is the same regardless of what level the position is.
WO-1 - 5. Warrant Officers, grade 1. Chief Warrant Officers, grades 2-5. Specialist positions, for soldiers who need to have authority similar to that of a commissioned officer. The Army uses it as a way to get out of the requirement for pilots to be commissioned officers. More frequently, they are in speciality areas, such as maintenance, bands, administration, etc. Not usually found in line units.
O-1 Second Lieutenant (Loo-tenant). Platoon Leader. [Platoon Leader/Tank Commander] Note that it's 'Leader', not 'Commander'. (USMC is different). The distinction is for two reasons. Firstly, the LT is expected to go as a part of the platoon. He doesn't 'command' anyone to go and do anything. The second distinction is that the LT has no command powers. He has authority of rank, but may not conduct, for example, administrative punishment which requires paperwork through the system. (fines, loss of rank, etc)
O-2 First Lieutenant. Platoon leader[Platoon Leader/Tank Commander], more usually either of a speciality platoon such as mortars or support, or company executive officer. Also been known to fill in in captain's roles if required. (Hence the name, lieutenant)
O-3 Captain. Company Commander/Battalion Staff (S1, S2, S4, S3Air)[Company Commander, Tank Commander]. First rank with command authority. I don't think I quite agree with the micromanaged comment earlier, in my experience, company commanders have a very good freedom of action.
O-4 Major. Battalion S3, Battalion XO. [Battalion S3/Tank Commander, Battalion XO]. The S-3 has a tank in an Armour battalion. The XO does not.
O-5 Lt Colonel. Battalion CO. [Battalion CO/Tank Commander]
O-6 Colonel. Brigade Commander [Brigade Commander]
Then you hit the General ranks, which can kindof vary. Independent brigades usually have a Brigadier General in charge. Otherwise, a BG can be found as XO of a division. Major Generals are usually Division commanders. Then you have three-stars, whatever they do (LT Gens), and Four-Stars which are frequently theater commanders. No 5-stars have existed since Bradley.

NTM
 

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