I'm talking to a brick wall here. Let me try for the last time to get a simple concept across: a. The Brigades you allude to are not designed, manned or intended to be operational. b. They simply use the name "Brigade" which is also a title applied to an operational formation. c. Whether they are fat or not - and there's clearly a division of opinion on this thread - is not something you are, or have been, in a position to comment on. Pointing at an organisation and saying "cut the fat! you need more troops" without any experience or working knowledge contributes nothing. For example, arguing that 160 Bde couldn't deploy & therefore lacks utility is like complaining that an Army Training Regiment can't deploy as a regiment. Or that my hatchback can't go off road like my friend's Landrover. They're both cars, they're just designed for different tasks. Lets put it another way. During my regiment's TELIC tours our various companies were detached to other Battlegroups. Our BHQ(-) hung around Shaiba doing staffwork, only leaving slipper city to escape the boredom by visiting us and trying to tag along on our patrols. It didn't mean our BHQ didn't deserve to exist. It didn't mean it "lacked utility". It wasn't of "limited use". It served its purpose for Telic by training and coordinating its subordinate units. Alles klar?