Multi-Attack Terror Plot On European Cities

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Multi-Attack Terror Plot On London And Other UK Cities, Paris And Germany | UK News | Sky News

Intelligence agencies have intercepted a terror plot to launch Mumbai-style attacks on London and other European cities, according to Sky News sources.

Sky's foreign affairs editor Tim Marshall said militants based in Pakistan were planning simultaneous attacks on London and other major British cities.

The group - thought to be linked to Al Qaeda - were then planning similar attacks in France and Germany.

He said the plot was in the "advanced but not imminent stage" and the plotters had been tracked by spy agencies for some time.

Intelligence sources said the planned attacks would have been similar to the commando-style raids carried out in Mumbai.

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Although now telling them we are on to you might not be the greatest idea :policeflat:
 
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Given the "success" of Mumbai, it was inevitable that Al Queda would try to repeat it in other cities. London would have been the prime target, given the relatively small number of armed police compared to other European cities where the majority of police are routinely armed.
 
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Yes but London is also defended by THEM and the CT wing of the SFSG and the CO19 i'm sure that AQ would realise that these special forces could make things much harder than Mumbai where the SF QRF was 1000 miles away in Delhi the SAS are much closer.
 
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Yes but London is also defended by THEM and the CT wing of the SFSG and the CO19 i'm sure that AQ would realise that these special forces could make things much harder than Mumbai where the SF QRF was 1000 miles away in Delhi the SAS are much closer.
The SAS might be closer than a 1000 miles away but how effective would they be against 50 or 60 Derrick Bird's running around the city?
 
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The SAS might be closer than a 1000 miles away but how effective would they be against 50 or 60 Derrick Bird's running around the city?
I'm pretty sure they have faced worse than that, and if in trouble they will have the Super Bootie Service and 1Para helping out.
 
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I'm pretty sure they have faced worse than that, and if in trouble they will have the Super Bootie Service and 1Para helping out.
I'm not saying a middle aged taxi driver is the nastiest enemy the world has ever seen, what I am saying is that if a fat, middle aged bloke with a shotgun and a .22 rifle can bump off a dozen people at a go fairly easily imagine how much damage a couple of dozen armed Jihadi types could achieve in the hour or two it takes for the response to cath up with them.
 
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IMHO Simply a matter of time
 
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Yes but London is also defended by THEM and the CT wing of the SFSG and the CO19 i'm sure that AQ would realise that these special forces could make things much harder than Mumbai where the SF QRF was 1000 miles away in Delhi the SAS are much closer.
No one is questioning the ability of CO19, SFSG etc. But they have to find the bad guys; the terrorists will hit multiple targets simultaneously. Derek Bird was a fat, middle-aged bloke with a shotgun and a rifle, but he managed to elude the police, kill innocent people at will and take his own life. Raul Moats was a 'Roider with a sawn-off shotgun, but it took 800 armed police - one tenth of all AFO's in the UK - a week to track him down.

So how easy or quick do you think it's going to be to stop a terrorist with paramilitary training, an AK and as much ammo as he can carry?

There are only so many armed police and SF units to go around. There is no doubt they will kill the terrorists, especially since the terrorist's goal is to go out in a blaze of glory. But it will be very messy and costly. A lot of innocent people will die.

IIRC, an ex-CO of THEM said that Britain does not have the capability to stop a Mumabi-style attack from causing massive loss of life. And as ACAB says, it's only a matter of time...
 
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No one is questioning the ability of CO19, SFSG etc. But they have to find the bad guys; the terrorists will hit multiple targets simultaneously. Derek Bird was a fat, middle-aged bloke with a shotgun and a rifle, but he managed to elude the police, kill innocent people at will and take his own life. Raul Moats was a 'Roider with a sawn-off shotgun, but it took 800 armed police - one tenth of all AFO's in the UK - a week to track him down.

So how easy or quick do you think it's going to be to stop a terrorist with paramilitary training, an AK and as much ammo as he can carry?

There are only so many armed police and SF units to go around. There is no doubt they will kill the terrorists, especially since the terrorist's goal is to go out in a blaze of glory. But it will be very messy and costly. A lot of innocent people will die.

IIRC, an ex-CO of THEM said that Britain does not have the capability to stop a Mumabi-style attack from causing massive loss of life. And as ACAB says, it's only a matter of time...
Depends on how quickly they draw attention to themselves Raoul Moat kill one man wounded two others before fleeing and hiding for a few days so he was harder to locate Derrick Bird was constantly on the move.
While in Mumbai in the first twenty minutes nobody had any doubt where the terrorists were as they quickly announced their presense they just had nothing to respond to them until the next day.
So yes it is a matter of time but if the Terrorist make their attack instantly high profile the faster SF can close them down.
 
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How many do you think we could deal with? 6 - 12 insurgents in two or three separate locations, once found how long to effectively resource. Look at the problems Moat caused (one bloke) they would only need a little bit of success to cause the kind of chaos and casualty list that would make us look like Ill prepared and hand them a perceived victory. What more could we do that the public and politicians are prepared to accept and fund? Very little so let's hope our int is good.
 
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This is a worrying reality. Guns, including heavier ones (submachine guns, AK47s etc) are not particularly hard to get hold of in this country, as our criminals well know.

Even a few (less than 10) well armed terrorists attacking a civilian rich target such as Bluewater/Oxford Street/Football Match would result in possibly hundreds of casualties before the first Police/SAS/SBS even got to the scene and threw a cordon up.....
 
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As acab says, its only a matter of time before something happens. The old IRA thing of "you have to be lucky all the time. We only have to be lucky once" still stands.

I'm sure the security forces whether they be CIVPOL or military would react quickly and robustly but an attack like Mumbai would result in carnage.

The SAS performed an amazing feat at the Iranian embassy but that was against terrorists that were not prepared to die for their cause and had probably never heard of the SAS . Imagine if the terrorist on the stairs had pulled the pin or the ones guarding the hostages had held their nerve and continued to fire or use grenades.

You can be damn sure AQ has read every book going and pay attention to the events such as Derrick Bird and Moat incidents. Bum clenching times ahead.
I'm not trying to be the voice of doom but we can't be complacent.

On a brighter note, if they do hit London Parliament will no doubt be their first stop. Let's hope someone leaks Tony's address as well.
 
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The SAS performed an amazing feat at the Iranian embassy
There is no doubting that, but the Iranian Embassy was contained by hundreds of Plod, etc. Imagine a better armed, mobile group of terrorists not killing for a political motive but merely to see how many they can kill before martyrdom? A chilling thought.
 
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As acab says, its only a matter of time before something happens. The old IRA thing of "you have to be lucky all the time. We only have to be lucky once" still stands.

I'm sure the security forces whether they be CIVPOL or military would react quickly and robustly but an attack like Mumbai would result in carnage.

The SAS performed an amazing feat at the Iranian embassy but that was against terrorists that were not prepared to die for their cause and had probably never heard of the SAS . Imagine if the terrorist on the stairs had pulled the pin or the ones guarding the hostages had held their nerve and continued to fire or use grenades.

You can be damn sure AQ has read every book going and pay attention to the events such as Derrick Bird and Moat incidents. Bum clenching times ahead.
I'm not trying to be the voice of doom but we can't be complacent.

On a brighter note, if they do hit London Parliament will no doubt be their first stop. Let's hope someone leaks Tony's address as well.
I know it's inevitable that people will die even with the Iranian embassy siege one hostage was killed during the operation and one before but we do have the capability to stop them faster than Mumbai.
It is true that the aim would be to aprehend them first but even the best intel agencies have been caught out.
But your right it would never do to get complacent that would make the attack far worse.
 
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The biggest shame is that people always have to suffer before money and resources are thrown at the problem, then after a couples years the dust settles a new risk assessment is written, then after a couple more years managers move on, new managers write new risk assessments that have absolutely nothing to do with saving money, all lessons are unlearned and a new group of people have to suffer again to get back to where we always should have been. All the while managers and Politicians are yanking our chain telling us what a good job they are doing.
 
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On a similar note I see the Eifel tower has been evacuated for the second time in two weeks, I was there in summer and noticed a few likley characters from what would be described as problem countries, they were mostly selling cheap shit but were moving freely among a crowd of thousands queuing around the base.

Makes you think though
 
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I know it's inevitable that people will die even with the Iranian embassy siege one hostage was killed during the operation and one before but we do have the capability to stop them faster than Mumbai.
It is true that the aim would be to aprehend them first but even the best intel agencies have been caught out.
But your right it would never do to get complacent that would make the attack far worse.
I still reckon it has the potential for hundreds to be injured or killed. Depending where in London, it might take Police/SAS up to 10 minutes to arrive on scene and assess. A group of terrorists working as a group or individuals could do a lot of damage in that time; let off a magazine on a packed tube station/train/shop/cafe and you can guarantee more than a few casualties.
 
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I still reckon it has the potential for hundreds to be injured or killed. Depending where in London, it might take Police/SAS up to 10 minutes to arrive on scene and assess. A group of terrorists working as a group or individuals could do a lot of damage in that time; let off a magazine on a packed tube station/train/shop/cafe and you can guarantee more than a few casualties.
True luck deals a significant hand in it as well
 

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