MTP on The One Show last night.

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Anyone catch this on BBC 1 last night? The show that has the most random features of any show i have seen for a while last night had a pretty interesting feature on the 'new' MTP system of camoflage. It had Phil 'Tuffers' Tuffnell as the reporter and he went along to the gaff where this stuff is developed.
 

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Are there any pics of Christine Bleakley wearing the new combat shirt with it undone to her midriff?

If not why not?
 
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afraid not, if it was not for her i would not watch it. She is wasted on that programme, she should be doing a more hard core porn programme i reckon, but anyway thats another thread :lick:
 
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Dollsteeth said:
Slightly off topic but i wasnt aware anyone was credited directly with Killing Wittman though I stand to be corrected.
It is now pretty certain the Mr Ekins was the Gunner of the Firefly that took out Wittman, and there are a number of German Referances that say so,Michael Wittmann by Patirick Agte, Meyers History of the 12th SS panzer Division
 
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Back to Wittman; there was recently a show on Discovery channel called Military Mysteries, I think. This assessed the battle and 'proved' that from the position of Mr Ekins' tank, he could only have seen,engaged and destroyed three out of the four vehicles in Wittmans platoon. The fourth was in dead ground to the Fireflys.

The fourth was hit by a Canadian tank unit. This was Wittmans Tiger as it jockeyed for cover.
 
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mick4075 said:
Back to Wittman; there was recently a show on Discovery channel called Military Mysteries, I think. This assessed the battle and 'proved' that from the position of Mr Ekins' tank, he could only have seen,engaged and destroyed three out of the four vehicles in Wittmans platoon. The fourth was in dead ground to the Fireflys.

The fourth was hit by a Canadian tank unit. This was Wittmans Tiger as it jockeyed for cover.
From the war diary of the Schwere SS-Panzer Abteiling101/501,
"Several Canadian Shermans are knocked out. Right outside of Gaumesnil, and third platoon of A.sqn of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry open fire from the flank. The only Sherman Firefly knocks out five Tigers and sets them on fire,there are few survivors, SS Hauptsturmfuhrer Wittmenn and his crew are killed"
Since I got interested in Wittmann back in the 70s I have visited the site and read just about every book about this battle including the War Diarys of the units invovled,( I'm a bit OCD) Wittmann remains were not found untill 1983, and I have been to his grave in LaCambe, I have even read the letter written by Heinz von Westernhagen to Wittmann's widow, Hilde, and even have copys of there wedding photographs
 
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tropper66 said:
Dollsteeth said:
Slightly off topic but i wasnt aware anyone was credited directly with Killing Wittman though I stand to be corrected.
It is now pretty certain the Mr Ekins was the Gunner of the Firefly that took out Wittman, and there are a number of German Referances that say so,Michael Wittmann by Patirick Agte, Meyers History of the 12th SS panzer Division
OT I know but it seems more certain to have been Canadians that did this. History Channel prog, IIRC.
 
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Mr_Deputy said:
Bravo_Bravo said:
tropper66 said:
Dollsteeth said:
Slightly off topic but i wasnt aware anyone was credited directly with Killing Wittman though I stand to be corrected.
It is now pretty certain the Mr Ekins was the Gunner of the Firefly that took out Wittman, and there are a number of German Referances that say so,Michael Wittmann by Patirick Agte, Meyers History of the 12th SS panzer Division
OT I know but it seems more certain to have been Canadians that did this. History Channel prog, IIRC.
I watched that and it make it seem pretty conclusive that a Canuck Sherman took a pot shot from behind a wall in the grounds of a chateau and his Wittman's tank (which British troops burned down later by mistake so is no longer there.) The range, angle etc where all quite conclusive.......except for the fact that the presenter is Canadian and the series could alos be called 'Candians won all the wars for everyone, despite what you heard/know.' ie it may be tad biased.

anyway that chick from the one show is fit isn't she? phhhwoorrr. I'd like to get her out in a wheat field and get in the sights of my 17 pounder so I would.
But the German eye witnesses who are not trying to big themselves up dissagree in the letters by Dr Rabe and Von Westernhagen to Wittmann's wife, Hilde, and the war diary of the 101/501 say it was the Northamptonshire Yeomanry that knocked out Tiger 007, which was a command tank and not Wittmann's normal ride as he did not like there lower amount ofammunition
 
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Mr_Deputy said:
tropper66 said:
Mr_Deputy said:
Bravo_Bravo said:
tropper66 said:
Dollsteeth said:
Slightly off topic but i wasnt aware anyone was credited directly with Killing Wittman though I stand to be corrected.
It is now pretty certain the Mr Ekins was the Gunner of the Firefly that took out Wittman, and there are a number of German Referances that say so,Michael Wittmann by Patirick Agte, Meyers History of the 12th SS panzer Division
OT I know but it seems more certain to have been Canadians that did this. History Channel prog, IIRC.
I watched that and it make it seem pretty conclusive that a Canuck Sherman took a pot shot from behind a wall in the grounds of a chateau and his Wittman's tank (which British troops burned down later by mistake so is no longer there.) The range, angle etc where all quite conclusive.......except for the fact that the presenter is Canadian and the series could alos be called 'Candians won all the wars for everyone, despite what you heard/know.' ie it may be tad biased.

anyway that chick from the one show is fit isn't she? phhhwoorrr. I'd like to get her out in a wheat field and get in the sights of my 17 pounder so I would.
But the German eye witnesses who are not trying to big themselves up dissagree in the letters by Dr Rabe and Von Westernhagen to Wittmann's wife, Hilde, and the war diary of the 101/501 say it was the Northamptonshire Yeomanry that knocked out Tiger 007, which was a command tank and not Wittmann's normal ride as he did not like there lower amount ofammunition
I know nothing. Just spouting the facts from the documentary. (Excuse my awful grammar was busy when I wrote it.)
Seems they were aware of Northants tanks but Canadians were in a kind of flanking position, firing on the German tanks, unknown to most units on both sides and that they were much closer and one of their arguments is that the Northants gunners were at the very limit of their range so could not really have been able to be sure enough to claim kills or not - although from the British claims it seems they were very sure about their hits. No doubts. It seems there was alot of confusion.
Even to the extent where the Canucks maybe 'technically' or 'by the book' shouldn't have been where they were as they were risking 'blue on blue' at extreme range. So may have kept a little quiet about it at the time to avoid trouble.
You would be amazed at how many very good books about tank warfare have massive mistakes in them,when you read the other sides account of the same action, the amount of British and American authors who state they were in action with Tigers,when in fact there were no Tigers within miles of them. The Americans who say they were shot down by Zeros in the Phillipines and Burma in 41/2, there were no zeros there, or all the Germans who were shot down by Spitfires in areas where there were none, some of the best historians have made these mistakes, its nothing new
 
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Couple of marines cutting about at bordon in MTP.
I think we may have missed a trick here, it looks just like C95, the dont seem to have changed the material either. I thought we were getting something more hardwearing
 
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armr617 said:
Couple of marines cutting about at bordon in MTP.
I think we may have missed a trick here, it looks just like C95, the dont seem to have changed the material either. I thought we were getting something more hardwearing
You are correct, it is the same cut as CS95, although the material (in my opinion) seems to be slightly lighter weight. The only single notable difference other than the cam pattern itself is the sleeves of the jacket. No more tiny pocket on the sleeve, now has three strips of velcro loop as per UBACS. The trousers are the same cut as what we had, as are the shirts- right down to the Union flag being sewn off centre from the sleeve crease.

I would have expected some changes myself, least of all reinforced knee material or somesuch thought going in, but this is after all the very first run- we will need to wait and see what happens with it in the future.