MTI posting

#1
Hello all,

I've just received an assignment order for an post as a MTI at a phase 2 unit.

I don't particularly want it; as it is out of trade, can I refuse? I don't want to rock the boat and will go if I'm told that the posting can't be cancelled. I'd just prefer to stay at trade!

Cheers,

Rockstar
 
#2
Refuse it Rockstar, The Corps still think thining the RS out will work, I would beg to differ, you joined the Corps as a tradesman so stick to your guns because once your in you will be chucked on all your military courses and the chances of escaping at the end of your tour will be very restricted.

I would love to bring back that clown who decided that booting the RS out would work, how wrong was he? TSS, what a pile of shite.
 
#3
Do it. Have a blast for a couple of years, positively influence young soldiers & then go back to trade. Easy!
 
#4
I Agree, had a fantastic time at Phase 1 for 2 years. Also you can plan your life for 2 years and at the end of the day it's a few more feathers in the cap to say been there and done that!!!
 
#5
I take it Rockstar you are either Skill At Arms or Drill Instructor qualified then? These I believe are the minimum quals to take an MTI post.
If not I take it you are either being put on them before arriving at new unit or is it a "Duty of Care" role you are going to fill?
 
#6
Duty of care. As far as quals are concerned, I'm a CBRNi. As the first reply pointed out, I'm a bit worried at getting stuck in the MTI / Duty of care role.
 
#7
I seem to recall that not only must you be specifically put forwards by your OC in name, but your annual report should comment on your potential for employment in this area. Hence I find it surprising that this has come as a bit of a surprise, surely we're not picking at random!

Have a stab, it will widen your potential for promotion and general employability up the ranks. If you're not going Tiffy then you'll need something to seperate your out for the Artisan WO2 post.
 
#8
sparky8 said:
Do it. Have a blast for a couple of years, positively influence young soldiers & then go back to trade. Easy!
My head nearly exploded.
 
#9
Why was that?
 
#10
methilman said:
Refuse it Rockstar, The Corps still think thining the RS out will work, I would beg to differ, you joined the Corps as a tradesman so stick to your guns because once your in you will be chucked on all your military courses and the chances of escaping at the end of your tour will be very restricted.

I would love to bring back that clown who decided that booting the RS out would work, how wrong was he? TSS, what a pile of shite.
His name's Steven Tetlow and he's now the head of the Vehicle & Operator Services Agency (VOSA) the people responsible for running all the MoT stations.
 
#11
sparky8 said:
Do it. Have a blast for a couple of years, positively influence young soldiers & then go back to trade. Easy!
That bit. :)
 
#12
So whats your point then? I am at a training regiment and certainly one of the things that I have tried to do is to give the young soldiers that come through a positive outlook on being in the Army and the REME. I don't bullsh!t, i tell the truth and encourage them to ask questions that they may need to know the answer to before they hit the streets.

What is your experience of phase 2/3 establishments and what did you try to do?
 
#13
I'm with Spark on this one - MTIs and Duty of Care posts are there to make sure that when you go back to trade, you've got well motivated and enthusiastic Cfn to fill those empty VM, Armr or Tech slots in your LAD/Coy. Enjoy having 2 years of largely predicatable routine work, knowing when you can take your next holidays, and generally enjoying life without worrying aboug getting jiffed for ops. Oh, and enjoy swinging the lantern and getting your old war stories out, cos that's exactly what the young crows want to hear, not some ex inf Cpl bragging that he transferred to the REME cos it was "easy life".
 
#14
Well having just finished 2 years in phase 2 out of trade and now know what i know i would never have gone if i knew. thiose things i cant say but all i will say is that for 2 years you will be fighting for promotion against those in the field foece that are doing op tours you go to the bottom of the pile..... and all the red tape you encounter just isnt worth it.......

these places are just full of empty promises for tradesmen
 
#15
kwackster said:
Well having just finished 2 years in phase 2 out of trade and now know what i know i would never have gone if i knew. thiose things i cant say but all i will say is that for 2 years you will be fighting for promotion against those in the field foece that are doing op tours you go to the bottom of the pile..... and all the red tape you encounter just isnt worth it.......

these places are just full of empty promises for tradesmen
'Fraid I have to agree here. When the bulk of the Corps is sitting in BFG/BATUS or Bks then an MTI post is going to make you the 'stand-out guy' on a promo board. However when your peer group has spent time on Ops while you've been in a training unit then the old phrase "Those that can, do; those that can't, teach" It doesn't matter how much MCM Div butter or how good your CR writer is.

What would you rather have in the "Post" part of your pen picture? Cpl X was Section Comd at ATR ... or Cpl X was a Fitter team leader in Afghanistan?

I know which was part of my missing out on promotion...
 
#16
Maj B,

I must beg to differ.

Having sat on recent REME Cpl - Sgt Prom Bds I can say that many reports for Cpls who had time on ops were not that great. If a guy is average in barracks he tends usually to remain averagely reported on when deployed - FACT. Its not where you are located or your role, its how strong your personal, supervisory and leadership qualities are reported on.

On the two I sat on, about 75% of the tradesmen MTIs promoted! The boards do get briefed that someone who has been brave enough to operate outside their comfort zone as an MTI and are competing against say an Inf Cpl should be looked on favourably. A Cpl VM who is clearly top third at trade in his CRs just before arrival in an ATR who in his 1st CR is only say middle third will normally be graded as if he were top third. If you have cracking reports both in and out of trade it is a powerful mix.

Maj B - If you have not sat on the boards yourself you cannot unequivocally claim the oft quoted "CRs on ops ALWAYS have more impact". That said those brave souls who get MCs and MiDs etc and perform above and beyond will get scored very highly - but only if their worth and performance is fully reflected in a well written CR.
 
#17
Maj B raises a decent point though. (not that i go against what you say Okimato - I'm always ready to listen to what you say and the board is all the better for having someone in the know post regularly).

What about the blokes who sit in barracks but dont want to be there? Im at a training regiment and have been told that those on ops will be looked on favourably (by someone who is most definitely in the know and goes on every board.) My retort was that my previous PPP asked for "field force anywhere" and I'd go away tomorrow (well, not tomorrow, got a hot date with a good looking chick but i digress) but get a trade school and perpetual boredom.

Should we also look at soldiers PPP's before we look at op inserts?
 
#18
sparky8 said:
Maj B raises a decent point though. (not that i go against what you say Okimato - I'm always ready to listen to what you say and the board is all the better for having someone in the know post regularly).

What about the blokes who sit in barracks but dont want to be there? Im at a training regiment and have been told that those on ops will be looked on favourably (by someone who is most definitely in the know and goes on every board.) My retort was that my previous PPP asked for "field force anywhere" and I'd go away tomorrow (well, not tomorrow, got a hot date with a good looking chick but i digress) but get a trade school and perpetual boredom.

Should we also look at soldiers PPP's before we look at op inserts?
then unfortunately you are on of the unlucky ones that are posted for the good of the corp and not personal preference.......it is a fact that if your reported on from an operational tour then you will be looked on more favourably aslong as your not a complete f%ckwit.......
 
#19
No, I'm happy to be posted for the benefit of the Corps. You've slightly missed my point.

My point is, why should you be "disadvantaged" (and I'll use that word loosely) because you are at a non deployable unit (or in fact a unit that doesn't deploy during your tour) when records send you there?

It just seems to be a double whammy when you would rather be away than shining a desk at Arboria!
 
#20
sparky8 said:
No, I'm happy to be posted for the benefit of the Corps. You've slightly missed my point.

My point is, why should you be "disadvantaged" (and I'll use that word loosely) because you are at a non deployable unit (or in fact a unit that doesn't deploy during your tour) when records send you there?

It just seems to be a double whammy when you would rather be away than shining a desk at Arboria!
i apologise if i misunderstood.. yes your right !!!!!! the job in a training establishment is not easy . well it is for a tradesman in comparison to a regimental specialist. yet it seems the regimental specialists get their promotions regular whilst doing this job yet we tradesmen who prove we can do more than the regimental specialist i.e we have a trade and can do the MTI role also. all this crap about adding bows to strings , giving you the little extra that you need to be seen above your peers is all just pep talk for you to throw yourselves at the feet of Manning records for your careers certain death or atleast hold up for a couple of years........ "THE CORP IS ON ITS KNEES"
 
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